gehringer_2 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 10 minutes ago, lordstanley said: I think it's just been awhile since we've gotten solid goaltending. Alex Lyon hasn't had to be Dominik Hasek. He's 15th in the NHL in GAA, 8th in the NHL in Save %. Better than expected from him, sure. But that may be sustainable. You have to weigh those numbers against the quality of chances the Wings are regularly giving up. The two big issues are that the drop-off too our third paring too often leaves them totally overmatched where you are watching knowing that they are inevitably going to give up a goal. The other is transition mistakes leading to grade A+ chances. That's where I think Lyon is living on borrowed time. He's already stopped more of those than you should have to count on an Vezna goalie for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: You have to weigh those numbers against the quality of chances the Wings are regularly giving up. The two big issues are that the drop-off too our third paring too often leaves them totally overmatched where you are watching knowing that they are inevitably going to give up a goal. The other is transition mistakes leading to grade A+ chances. That's where I think Lyon is living on borrowed time. He's already stopped more of those than you should have to count on an Vezna goalie for. I'm more worried about workload than his talents or shots faced. 17 in 21 is a lot to ask, even though the All Star Break was in there to give him a bit of a breather. 24 games left, probably need a backup (Reimer now, or Husso if he ever gets/stay healthy) to start 1/3 of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buddha Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 8 hours ago, lordstanley said: my teenage years coming back to me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 "Please don't do this" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 16 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I was really thinking along the lines of who I would want most to pair up with Edvinsson. That's Andersson. For lots of reasons. He's been mentioned in a couple rumors but not often and I don't know if Calgary is seriously looking to make that move. Could just be internet rumors with nothing behind it... I just seized on the idea of pairing up Andersson (I believe he's under contract for 2 more years) with Edvinsson for the next 2... That would be a fine 2nd pairing... Tuomisto I see as a 3rd pairing defensive guy I think. Maybe as early as next year. In two years, as Andersson's contract ends... I think the next gen would be ready with ASP/ Gibson/ Johansson pressing out of GR for some NHL time... But 2024-2026 could be Seider/ Andersson/ Tuomisto on the right side... At least in my dreams... I'm focused on this season...this team is built for the playoffs. Edvinsson might be a factor next year...Tanev gives us a veteran RHD to solidify the top 4 at a manageable cost. I dont think Calgary trades Andersson this season...he's young and on affordable contract. That's an asset you keep unless someone offers you a ridiculous haul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 hours ago, lordstanley said: I'm more worried about workload than his talents or shots faced. 17 in 21 is a lot to ask, even though the All Star Break was in there to give him a bit of a breather. 24 games left, probably need a backup (Reimer now, or Husso if he ever gets/stay healthy) to start 1/3 of those. Or even Cossa for 9-ish games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The Atlantic has an article today Stanley Cup Checklist: Analyzing the East contenders ahead of the trade deadline https://theathletic.com/5300788/2024/02/27/stanley-cup-contender-checklist-eastern-conference/' Red X: Falls below the range entirely Gray checkmark: Passable, but below the average champion Black checkmark: Above average relative to the average Cup winner Gold checkmark: Exceeds the range entirely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 14 minutes ago, lordstanley said: The Atlantic has an article today Stanley Cup Checklist: Analyzing the East contenders ahead of the trade deadline https://theathletic.com/5300788/2024/02/27/stanley-cup-contender-checklist-eastern-conference/' Red X: Falls below the range entirely Gray checkmark: Passable, but below the average champion Black checkmark: Above average relative to the average Cup winner Gold checkmark: Exceeds the range entirely according to them, pittsburgh is a top contender this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, buddha said: according to them, pittsburgh is a top contender this year... It's fine ranking system if an NHL roster was 10 players. Edited February 27 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: It's fine ranking system if an NHL roster was 10 players. 3 hours ago, buddha said: according to them, pittsburgh is a top contender this year... "The Penguins are the prime example of why the checklist is just one way to analyze contenders. Pittsburgh’s a top-heavy team with some solid secondary pieces like Marcus Pettersson and Bryan Rust. On some nights, this looks like the team to beat led by one of the best players in the world. Other nights, they look imbalanced with a dysfunctional power play that needs to get realistic about their future, quickly. The reality is somewhere in between, and the clock is ticking to figure it out, with the pressure building around how to proceed with Jake Guentzel. The team looks even further away from contender status without Guentzel, considering the winger depth behind him. " Edited February 27 by lordstanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I disagree that the "reality is somewhere in between" for Pittsburgh. Closer to irrelevancy than contention. 91 points last year and missed the playoffs, looks around the same this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I have to say I think I’ve hit my breaking point with “fancy” stats and stat cards. It seems like everyone has their own version of it these days and you can work it to build your narrative however you want. I don’t even fully get what the athletic is trying to say here but it seems to reduce the players to…. I don’t even know what…. all while ignoring any sort of nuance and context that goes into a roster. It’s like the clown on twitter who wrote an article about how the Kane signing is a failure as predicted and is still digging his heels in online because his fancy stats tell him the whole story. I used to be all about them but now I’m fully in old man yelling at clouds territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Ghost! First goal in 20+ games, when is a long time when he isn't great at defense. In any event, 1-0 Wings over Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 So far the Wings are looking more like they did against the Blues than they did against the Leafs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) I think Fabbri essentially threw that into the net and that the score after the review will stay at 1-0. Edited February 28 by lordstanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Less than a minute later though Raymond gives the Wings a 2-0 lead for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 So a very impressive period for the Wings. 2-0 after 1. Wings outshot the Caps 12-5. Big game, as a huge difference between being 9 points up on the Caps with a regulation win and 5 points with a regulation loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Less than a minute later though Raymond gives the Wings a 2-0 lead for real. great work by rassmussen too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, lordstanley said: I disagree that the "reality is somewhere in between" for Pittsburgh. Closer to irrelevancy than contention. 91 points last year and missed the playoffs, looks around the same this year. exactly. the only question is when they bite the bullet and trade crosby. not this year obviously. probably not next year either but... they have nothing in the pipeline and are committed to some older players with big contracts. crosby saves them from being a complete also ran. but its the pens. they'll bottom out, get the #1 pick, and get yet another generational player to save a team that was inches short of bankruptcy the last time they didnt have a lemieux/jagr/crosby on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 38 minutes ago, lordstanley said: So a very impressive period for the Wings. 2-0 after 1. Wings outshot the Caps 12-5. Big game, as a huge difference between being 9 points up on the Caps with a regulation win and 5 points with a regulation loss. Sure , the Caps are on the downside, but still a lot of fun to see the Wings doing to the Caps what the Caps used to do so regularly to the Wings. Edited February 28 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 47 minutes ago, buddha said: exactly. the only question is when they bite the bullet and trade crosby. not this year obviously. probably not next year either but... they have nothing in the pipeline and are committed to some older players with big contracts. crosby saves them from being a complete also ran. but its the pens. they'll bottom out, get the #1 pick, and get yet another generational player to save a team that was inches short of bankruptcy the last time they didnt have a lemieux/jagr/crosby on the team. I always wonder how the Wings' last decade would have looked if they had traded Z as soon as they missed out on Suter, and not tried to replace Datsyuk after he walked away a couple of years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Huge shortie by Compher late in the 2nd, right when the Caps had a chance to get back in it. 5-2 Wings after 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Blues and the Caps are decent hockey teams. The Wings aren't just beating them...they're clowning them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) DeBrincat might be getting on one of his hot streaks. 4 goals, 2 assists, 6 points in the past 3 games. Edited February 28 by lordstanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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