RatkoVarda Posted June 7 Posted June 7 On 1/24/2025 at 11:23 AM, RatkoVarda said: the MAGA moron has made us less safe in just his first 3 days, eliminating a Biden rule that ICE should prioritize deporting immigrants charged with felonies. That was part of the record number of immigrants deported by the US in 2024 - 271,000. Now the MAGA moron will have ICE wasting time deporting a guy with a speeding ticket instead of people charged with violent crimes. So f****** stupid. again, Trump and Miller and MAGA have made the country less safe by directing resources away from deporting criminals, and just deporting any non-white they can find. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 7 Posted June 7 Trump of course is saying he's going to put a stop on funding to California. Newsom seemed to suggest that California could withhold paying federal taxes. Can they do that? If they can, California needs to start flexing its muscle. Quote
Hongbit Posted June 7 Posted June 7 Is this a play to actually try to get California to secede? It would be devastating for the American economy but the greatest thing to happen for the future control of the government by maga. We already know which of these they care more about. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Can they do that? If they can, California needs to start flexing its muscle. I don't know what the process would be. The Federal gov doesn't tax the state, it taxes the individuals and corporations in it. Those payments don't go through any state office that I've ever heard. They can withhold payroll taxes for state employees I suppose, but how big can that be to the overall amount? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 (edited) 47 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Taking everything else out of the equation, does anyone actually believe that Abrgeo Garcia wasn't smuggling people into the country? Even if you only take the one trip we know about, there's absolutely no way you make a trip down to Texas, pick up 8 guys for your boss and bring them halfway across the country without knowing what's going on. Depends a lot on the context and what level of control he actually had. If you are sent cross country to pick up a construction crew, where does the responsibility lie regarding their status? (Don't say he should have known their status - easily half the guys working construction in the US today legally are Hispanic). I would think it would either be with the people that brought them into the country illegally or with the employer hiring them illegally. Where does the the guy driving a car fit into that scenario? Going to make him the fall guy in the middle for the people on each end running the process? Edited June 7 by gehringer_2 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 7 Posted June 7 I really believe that the Trump administration wants protests and demonstrations so he can declare martial law and legally suspend the constitution. Total evil. Total cruelty. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted June 7 Posted June 7 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: the first step in straightening out this society will be to start sending people, maybe a lot of people, and especially official people, to jail for perjury. So far we are still going in the wrong direction. More and more official lying, less and less accountability. Less accountability is a feature for this administration. Quote
chasfh Posted June 7 Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Hongbit said: Is this a play to actually try to get California to secede? It would be devastating for the American economy but the greatest thing to happen for the future control of the government by maga. We already know which of these they care more about. If they could succeed in getting them to secede, the US could then declare war on California and start carpet bombing them. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 7 Posted June 7 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: Depends a lot on the context and what level of control he actually had. If you are sent cross country to pick up a construction crew, where does the responsibility lie regarding their status? (Don't say he should have known their status - easily half the guys working construction in the US today legally are Hispanic). I would think it would either be with the people that brought them into the country illegally or with the employer hiring them illegally. Where does the the guy driving a car fit into that scenario? Going to make him the fall guy in the middle for the people on each end running the process? My understanding of things is that the employer is the cooperating witness so who knows what kind of deal he cut. Knowing these morons, they gave him immunity simply to help nail Garcia. But still, committing a crime simply because your employer told you to doesn't get you off the hook, especially if you did it dozens of times, as is alleged. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 (edited) If he was knowingly bringing illegal employees to employers on a regular basis, then he and the employers should be punished. However, unless the immigrants were kidnapped and forced to work, that is not the type of crime which shoud warrant an ICE emergency which takes resources away from more violent crimes. Edited June 7 by Tiger337 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said: My understanding of things is that the employer is the cooperating witness so who knows what kind of deal he cut. Knowing these morons, they gave him immunity simply to help nail Garcia. But still, committing a crime simply because your employer told you to doesn't get you off the hook, especially if you did it dozens of times, as is alleged. LOL - that should make for interesting jury selection. You can guess there are a lot of people for whom an uncharged employer testifying against an employee would torpedo a case from the get go - so the prosecutors will have to try hard to pick them out. Quote
smr-nj Posted June 7 Posted June 7 This discussion, imo, is moot. The fix is in. Done deal. The trial will be for show. Does anyone really doubt this? 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 10 minutes ago, smr-nj said: This discussion, imo, is moot. The fix is in. Done deal. The trial will be for show. Does anyone really doubt this? Probably, but the courts have not backed up Trump every time. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Probably, but the courts have not backed up Trump every time. the jury is still a jury - so a lot will depend on where this trial is held. In the right venue it could easily be a slam dunk for the government. Quote
chasfh Posted June 7 Posted June 7 The reason for this is simple: they want to make us a country of stupid people, because stupid people are easier to control. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 7 Posted June 7 1 hour ago, smr-nj said: This discussion, imo, is moot. The fix is in. Done deal. The trial will be for show. Does anyone really doubt this? Is the DOJ going to threaten the jury or something? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 7 Posted June 7 Just now, GalagaGuy said: Is the DOJ going to threaten the jury or something? They don't have to if they get to pick it. Put the trial in a strong anti-immigration venue and dismiss any jurors that may have sympathies. We don't call that a 'fix' in the US, but it's in the ballpark of one..... Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 7 Posted June 7 16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: They don't have to if they get to pick it. Put the trial in a strong anti-immigration venue and dismiss any jurors that may have sympathies. We don't call that a 'fix' in the US, but it's in the ballpark of one..... Garcia appeared in a Nashville court yesterday evening so I assume that's where this will go to trial. Nashville heavily favors Democrats. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted June 7 Posted June 7 5 hours ago, GalagaGuy said: Taking everything else out of the equation, does anyone actually believe that Abrgeo Garcia wasn't smuggling people into the country? Even if you only take the one trip we know about, there's absolutely no way you make a trip down to Texas, pick up 8 guys for your boss and bring them halfway across the country without knowing what's going on. Probably so, Garcia may have been the mule. Then the question is who was paying the bills? Dollars to a donut the guy importing the "workers" gets off free. Maybe the regime needs to start punishing businesses that import the cheap labor. They have been doing it forever and getting off scott free, because they know they can get away with it. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 7 Posted June 7 8 hours ago, GalagaGuy said: Taking everything else out of the equation, does anyone actually believe that Abrgeo Garcia wasn't smuggling people into the country? Even if you only take the one trip we know about, there's absolutely no way you make a trip down to Texas, pick up 8 guys for your boss and bring them halfway across the country without knowing what's going on. OK...file charges and try him. All most normal people wanted was due process. Throw him in prison or deport him if he's found guilty. But stop just snatching people off the streets and "disappearing" them. Follow the constitution. 5 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 7 Posted June 7 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: the jury is still a jury - so a lot will depend on where this trial is held. In the right venue it could easily be a slam dunk for the government. But that's not the point. It will be a fair trial because the whole world will be watching. And democrats want it done legally, with due process. If the guy is guilty of crimes, democrats would want him punished. They follow the law. MAGA tried to just grab him, disappear him and say "trust us, he's a criminal." Yeah, we don't trust them. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 8 Posted June 8 So Trump just took over the California National Guard as is deploying them against protesters. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 8 Posted June 8 (edited) Just another boring, ordinary weekend in the USA. Edited June 8 by GalagaGuy Quote
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