Trumps Presidency 2025

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Not once have I said the orange moron was good for anything so stop twisting reality simply so you can try to keep arguing. 

To be clear, you are asking us to uncritically accept the actions of an administration led by someone you regard as "the orange moron", correct?

Edited September 5 by mtutiger

[Tiger337]

37 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Sealed the southern border as well. I was told that would be impossible without immigration reform bills.....

No, simultaneously letting immigrants who want to work and contribute into our country, while keeping out the criminals can't happen without immigration reform.  

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I see we've once again reached the point where people just start making stuff up that isn't anywhere close to being the truth.  Not once have I said the orange moron was good for anything so stop twisting reality simply so you can try to keep arguing. 

You call the commander in chief a moron, but you want us to accept everything that happens militarily under his watch without question?  

[mtutiger]

17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

You call the commander in chief a moron, but you want us to accept everything that happens militarily under his watch without question?  

Look, I think that there's a belief out there that the Civil-Military relations are still what they were pre-Trump 2.0, which may explain some of the contradiction here.... but we have seen Trump at numerous times use the military in ways that have politicized their work. Whether it's his speech in NC earlier this year with marines in the background hooting and hollering like it was a campaign rally, or his use of the National Guard in CA, DC and (potentially) in IL, just a couple of examples of him helping to instigate the breakdown in trust between civil society and the military.

So while I would love to believe nothing more than this is a Commander in Chief that is acting upon reasonable direction from the military, by virtue of his actions since resuming office, I just can't do it. The trust is gone.

Edited September 5 by mtutiger

[oblong]

9 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Look, I think that there's a belief out there that the Civil-Military relations are still what they were pre-Trump 2.0, which may explain some of the contradiction here.... but we have seen Trump at numerous times use the military in ways that have politicized their work. Whether it's his speech in NC earlier this year with marines in the background hooting and hollering like it was a campaign rally, or his use of the National Guard in CA, DC and (potentially) in IL, just a couple of examples of him helping to instigate the breakdown in trust between civil society and the military.

So while I would love to believe nothing more than this is a Commander in Chief that is acting upon reasonable direction from the military, by virtue of his actions since resuming office, I just can't do it. The trust is gone.

right.  If Jim Mattis were DoD then I'd assume they acted on solid intelligence.  But we have a drunk TV boy in charge of the military now so who the **** knows what went on.  

[Tigeraholic1]

TDA was designated as foreign terroists. Not the same as Jimmy selling dime bags out his garage.

https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels

Edited September 5 by Tigeraholic1

[Motown Bombers]

Have you ever considered Galaga may have been on the Signal chat that authorized the strike?

[mtutiger]

lol

[GalagaGuy]

52 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

You call the commander in chief a moron, but you want us to accept everything that happens militarily under his watch without question?  

I want you to stop crying over some dead drug smugglers.  

[Tigerbomb13]

2 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm smart enough to understand that most Americans care more about what's happening inside America and that's why many of them decided it was best to vote for the convicted felon.  Maybe one day you'll figure that out.   

You’re right about one thing. Shooting and killing a bunch of people that were fishing, and America not caring about it because they are foreigners is exactly the lack of empathy and emptiness that got Trump elected. 

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I want you to stop crying over some dead drug smugglers.  

Beautiful non-answer here.... hang it in the Louvre

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I want you to stop crying over some dead drug smugglers.  

I want you to stop crying over questioning of your commander in chief.  

[GalagaGuy]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

I want you to stop crying over questioning of your commander in chief.  

I have no commander in chief, I am no longer on active duty and well beyond my IRR time.  You don't seem to understand how any of this works which makes sense because you're just here to pick a fight. 

[smr-nj]

Oh my goodness…. 
 

Your answers are nasty as all hell, and then you accuse others of picking a fight.

I don’t think you can have it both ways. *shrugs*

[gehringer_2]

27 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I want you to stop crying over some dead drug smugglers.  

As a wise old mage once said: "“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement."

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tigermojo]

Most cocaine comes from Columbia. Why isn't Trump blowing up Columbians? Trump has a personal agenda against Venezuela which is not in the best interest of Americans. This has nothing to do with drugs or gangs from Venezuela.

Trump's get rich scheme is destroy the USA and anyone else to make himself money.

Edited September 5 by Tigermojo

[Dan Gilmore]

3 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Most cocaine comes from Columbia. Why isn't Trump blowing up Columbians? Trump has a personal agenda against Venezuela which is not in the best interest of Americans. This has nothing to do with drugs or gangs from Venezuela.

And it’s distraction from the Epstein morass.

[Tigermojo]

1 minute ago, Dan Gilmore said:

And it’s distraction from the Epstein morass.

That too but even before that, he just wants more than Putin has $$$.

[TJ Rollercoaster]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I wonder what the response(s) would be if the Cuban military killed everyone on board an American fishing trawler - in either American, or International waters?

[Tiger337]

54 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I have no commander in chief, I am no longer on active duty and well beyond my IRR time.  You don't seem to understand how any of this works which makes sense because you're just here to pick a fight. 

I wasn't suggesting that you were still in active duty.  I said "your" to show that I don't respect the president enough to consider him my president.  I have always had great respect for those that serve in the military.  My father fought in the frontlines in World WAR II.  No matter what I do in life I will never equal that.  I have generally assumed that out miltary would honor the constitution and protect us from a rogue President, but I can no longer do that.  Your president attempted a coup against the United States and is now attempting to turn us into a fascist autocracy while ****ting on the constitution on a daily basis.  I am sorry, but I can't respect that and I can no longer assume that the military will protect us from that.  

Edited September 5 by Tiger337

[CMRivdogs]

I trust people who actually know the law than some schlub on the internet or a talk show host with no qualifications to be Sec of War

Corn, a law professor at Texas Tech University, noted that critics have condemned U.S. drone strikes since 2001 against militants in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries as extrajudicial killings, but those strikes were legitimate, he said, because the U.S. was engaged in an armed conflict under the laws of war against al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

Brian Finucane, a former State Department lawyer who is now at the International Crisis Group, said that designation of drug cartels as terrorist groups doesn’t authorize the use of military force against them. Rather it enables the U.S. to levy sanctions and pursue criminal prosecutions against individuals who support the groups.

Nor can military action be justified under the law Congress passed authorizing the use of force against al Qaeda and related terrorist groups following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, experts said.

For the military to use force, “there needs to be a legitimate claim of self-defense in international waters, an action that is necessary and proportional in response to an armed attack or imminent armed attack,” said Juan Gonzalez, who served as the National Security Council’s senior director for Western Hemisphere affairs during the Biden administration. “That clearly didn’t happen.”

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said:

Look, GG is straight up telling you that he does not care about non-Americans, including if they live or die. And if they do die, he doesn't care if they were murdered by American soldiers. Further, his assertion is that the majority of Trump voters feel the same.

I for one believe him about all of it.

 

Ultimately, I think you have to name it what it is, which is worship of the culture of death. It's the idea that if you kill enough other people your problems go away. It's basically the same logic whether it comes from Putin, Netanyahu, Isis, Hamas, Trump, or an MTF poster. It's the same kool-aid. It's the 21st century cool-kids philosophy. 

Anyone that hews to that old "I came that you may have life, and have it abundantly" stuff? Losers.

Edited September 5 by gehringer_2

[GalagaGuy]

16 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I wasn't suggesting that you were still in active duty.  I said "your" to show that I don't respect the president enough to consider him my president.  I have always had great respect for those that serve in the military.  My father fought in the frontlines in World WAR II.  No matter what I do in life I will never equal that.  I have generally assumed that out miltary would honor the constitution and protect us from a rogue President, but I can no longer do that.  Your president attempted a coup against the United States and is now attempting to turn us into a fascist autocracy while ****ting on the constitution on a daily basis.  I am sorry, but I can't respect that and I can no longer assume that the military will protect us from that.  

I'm not going to sit here playing word games with you.  

[smr-nj]

But you are.

Got it.