Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

10 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

There is a valid argument about the executive simply having the power as congress ceded it, and without a congress that will force authority back, it's Trumps best bet to be able to continue this.   

But, ceding power once, doesn't mean you cede all power.  For instance you can give permission to the police to search your car without a warrant, but if you feel they are overstepping the search, you can demand that they stop which would require them to get a search warrant to continue.  Smoot Hawley only lasted a couple of years before congress stepped in and make changes which negated it.  Ultimately I feel SCOTUS should side with a repeal of these, especially when there was no legitimate emergency which POTUS referenced to start them.

Guess we'll see.

 

I agree. But in reality the supposedly unbiased judiciary has also abandoned their principles in favor of ideology. It may have almost always been the case but it seems the most blatant in the 60 years or so I've been following politics

[CMRivdogs]

I'm old enough when Bush the Lesser pushed for a pathway to citizenship and guest worker programs for immigrants saying something similar. Yet this guy has probably voted for Republicans his whole life. 
 

 

[pfife]

My understanding is that he can only implemebt tarrifs with a pretext of an emergency.   Apparently his friend Bolsonaro getting prosecuted is an emergency.

[CMRivdogs]

Edited September 15 by CMRivdogs
It appears to be the same report

[oblong]

17 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm old enough when Bush the Lesser pushed for a pathway to citizenship and guest worker programs for immigrants saying something similar. Yet this guy has probably voted for Republicans his whole life. 
 

 

I'm so tired of the "spoiled" and "lazy" argument.

It's about choice and opportunity.  We saw it during covid when places couldn't find workers and some nutjob would get on TV and whine "Nobody wants to work anymore".  No.  Nobody wants to work for you.  Compete for employees like you compete for customers.  Nobody is entitled to a workforce.

 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

That CNN article is not well done.  The Tariffs are an issue for sure, but the major problem for coffee prices right now is drought.  

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/17/nx-s1-5228008/coffee-prices-brazil-drought-weather

These are the two most imported beans in the US.  Again, this is from December.

Same thing with beef prices.  The tariffs are contributing to a problem that was there long before they were introduced.  Beef prices have been rising steadily since 2021.  Drought again is a big problem, with US herd size the smallest it has been in decades.

Low herd inventory ripples through U.S. beef market

 

Ok, well, then, the government should be acting in our interest to bring prices down, not exacerbating the problem to drive prices up.

Working in the interest of the people is what a government dedicated to working in the interest of the people would do.

[chasfh]

50 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

But, ceding power once, doesn't mean you cede all power.  For instance you can give permission to the police to search your car without a warrant, but if you feel they are overstepping the search, you can demand that they stop which would require them to get a search warrant to continue. 

 

lol maybe you can demand to speak to their manager if they don’t stop searching once you demand they stop.

[chasfh]

29 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm old enough when Bush the Lesser pushed for a pathway to citizenship and guest worker programs for immigrants saying something similar. Yet this guy has probably voted for Republicans his whole life. 
 

 

Maybe Mister I’m Not Spoiled Farmer should roll up his sleeves and do it himself. 

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

I'm so tired of the "spoiled" and "lazy" argument.

It's about choice and opportunity.  We saw it during covid when places couldn't find workers and some nutjob would get on TV and whine "Nobody wants to work anymore".  No.  Nobody wants to work for you.  Compete for employees like you compete for customers.  Nobody is entitled to a workforce.

As someone with teenage kids, it's crazy how much wages raised for fast food employees when the choice to the owner was to pay higher or simply not be able to open the doors.  My guess is those owners are still getting by, despite the increase in labor.

That said, for some industries, there isn't as much mark up or volume to be able to believe that simply paying more will benefit.  My wife did not see big raises in her job over Covid and she's seeing friends of our son picking up unskilled jobs paying not much less then what she is making (granted she still has some decent perks which they don't have).  Her boss owns a small business and has done everything he can to keep price increases from being passed to his customers which I'm sure means a lot less money in his pocket.  Maybe he is wrong and could easily raise his rates, but I do understand his concern about it.  

[Sports_Freak]

I am totally against political violence. 100% against it. But people should voice their displeasure at the ballot box. But with that being said, it takes a lot of nerve for these politicians to take tax money, vote to take away people's rights and then vote to use even more tax money to double their security. They only work part time and most make 3 or 4 times more than the average American, who pay taxes to support them. Let them hire their own security and use tax dollars to help typical citizens.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

As someone with teenage kids, it's crazy how much wages raised for fast food employees when the choice to the owner was to pay higher or simply not be able to open the doors.  My guess is those owners are still getting by, despite the increase in labor.

That said, for some industries, there isn't as much mark up or volume to be able to believe that simply paying more will benefit.  My wife did not see big raises in her job over Covid and she's seeing friends of our son picking up unskilled jobs paying not much less then what she is making (granted she still has some decent perks which they don't have).  Her boss owns a small business and has done everything he can to keep price increases from being passed to his customers which I'm sure means a lot less money in his pocket.  Maybe he is wrong and could easily raise his rates, but I do understand his concern about it.  

The problem is the companies that DO pass along the extra costs to their customers. And it's also the issue I have with tarriffs. They are a direct tax on consumers, when Trump talks about the money the tarriffs have brought in, that money is an additional consumer tax. And i fear many companies won't lower prices if the tarriff is taken away, they just increase their profits. Trump is/has destroyed our economy and we have over 3 more years of that moron in charge. 

[oblong]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

As someone with teenage kids, it's crazy how much wages raised for fast food employees when the choice to the owner was to pay higher or simply not be able to open the doors.  My guess is those owners are still getting by, despite the increase in labor.

That said, for some industries, there isn't as much mark up or volume to be able to believe that simply paying more will benefit.  My wife did not see big raises in her job over Covid and she's seeing friends of our son picking up unskilled jobs paying not much less then what she is making (granted she still has some decent perks which they don't have).  Her boss owns a small business and has done everything he can to keep price increases from being passed to his customers which I'm sure means a lot less money in his pocket.  Maybe he is wrong and could easily raise his rates, but I do understand his concern about it.  

But whose problem is that to solve? Should people just volunteer to work for a lower wage to help a brother out?  The issue is we had an aging workforce that saw an opportunity during COVID to either retire or not bother with that second job.  Baby boomers are reaching retirement age.  
 

[Sports_Freak]

6 hours ago, Deleterious said:

That CNN article is not well done.  The Tariffs are an issue for sure, but the major problem for coffee prices right now is drought.  

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/17/nx-s1-5228008/coffee-prices-brazil-drought-weather

These are the two most imported beans in the US.  Again, this is from December.

Same thing with beef prices.  The tariffs are contributing to a problem that was there long before they were introduced.  Beef prices have been rising steadily since 2021.  Drought again is a big problem, with US herd size the smallest it has been in decades.

Low herd inventory ripples through U.S. beef market

 

Trump has a 50% tarriff on Brazil goods, including coffee. A real president would help American consumers with regards to prices if there a shortage because of storms, droughts or wars. Trump has done the opposite. He did this to Brazil because they brought his buddy, the president, up on corruption charges. These corrupt a-holes have to protect other corrupt politicians. 

https://apnews.com/article/jair-bolsonaro-coup-trial-convicted-what-to-know-ed1667f26c809b1cfa01aa0f791ba824

[LaceyLou]

11 minutes ago, oblong said:

But whose problem is that to solve? Should people just volunteer to work for a lower wage to help a brother out?  The issue is we had an aging workforce that saw an opportunity during COVID to either retire or not bother with that second job.  Baby boomers are reaching retirement age.  
 

Also a lot of low wage workers died of COVID or are still dealing with the after effects... a lot of people are looking at these jobs and thinking it's not worth the risk.

[chasfh]

****ing A. 

 

[LaceyLou]

16 minutes ago, chasfh said:

****ing A. 

 

And he wonders why people call him and Drumpf Nazis? 

[smr-nj]

39 minutes ago, chasfh said:

****ing A. 

 

That he did the hosting duties for this show  is, imo, so terribly wrong.  That Stephen Miller was his guest is despicable.  
Good lord.  
We are staring into the abyss.

[gehringer_2]

6 hours ago, pfife said:

My understanding is that he can only implemebt tarrifs with a pretext of an emergency.   Apparently his friend Bolsonaro getting prosecuted is an emergency.

As I understand it, Congress voted to stop the clock on the emergency timer. That is the reason Trump is still in business with the tariffs.  It's one thing to violate the constitution, it will quite another if the courts ultimately decide Congress or the exec can re-decide what Time is.

[mtutiger]

6 hours ago, oblong said:

I'm so tired of the "spoiled" and "lazy" argument.

It's about choice and opportunity.  We saw it during covid when places couldn't find workers and some nutjob would get on TV and whine "Nobody wants to work anymore".  No.  Nobody wants to work for you.  Compete for employees like you compete for customers.  Nobody is entitled to a workforce.

 

It's also just attrition.... the boomers are retiring, and there are less of us than there are any of us.

Am sympathetic to farmers, especially given where we live. They are getting hammered right now and are pissed.... politically, you see it with the Iowa special elections, for instance. But it was very very predictable nonetheless.

[oblong]

53 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

It's also just attrition.... the boomers are retiring, and there are less of us than there are any of us.

Am sympathetic to farmers, especially given where we live. They are getting hammered right now and are pissed.... politically, you see it with the Iowa special elections, for instance. But it was very very predictable nonetheless.

I don’t take any glee in their suffering either, even though they “asked for it”.  We need food. 

[Screwball]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

It's also just attrition.... the boomers are retiring, and there are less of us than there are any of us.

Am sympathetic to farmers, especially given where we live. They are getting hammered right now and are pissed.... politically, you see it with the Iowa special elections, for instance. But it was very very predictable nonetheless.

Just a report from the ground in farm county not far from Michigan. We haven't had rain since Moby **** was a minnow, and I'm sure lots will get rotted on the vine and will vever find its way to Toledo and southern Michigan.

On top of everything else.

Edited September 16 by Screwball

[mtutiger]

49 minutes ago, Screwball said:

Just a report from the ground in farm county not far from Michigan. We haven't had rain since Moby **** was a minnow, and I'm sure lots will get rotted on the vine and will vever find its way to Toledo and southern Michigan.

On top of everything else.

https://farmpolicynews.illinois.edu/2025/09/usda-again-increases-corn-planted-acreage-production/

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Reuters’ Karl Plume reported that “U.S. farmers will reap a record corn crop this autumn, eclipsing the previous record set two years ago by nearly 1.5 billion bushels after harvesting their largest acreage in 92 years, the Department of Agriculture said on Friday.”

“The USDA lowered its corn yield forecast on Friday but total production rose as it increased its estimate for how many acres will be harvested. In August it surprised grain traders with a large acreage increase,” Plume reported. “…The USDA raised its 2025 U.S. corn production estimate to a record 16.814 billion bushels. It projected a record average yield of 186.7 bushels per acre, down from 188.8 bushels per acre in August. Both figures were above analysts’ expectations.”

“The grain glut is likely to weigh on the farm economy. U.S. growers have already been struggling with low crop prices and rising costs for inputs such as fertilizer and seeds. Cash crop receipts adjusted for inflation are forecast at the lowest level since 2007,” Plume reported. “Heftier supplies, however, would benefit livestock producers that use the crop for feed, along with ethanol producers.”

The weather has been really dry recently in the Midwest, but it's a bumper crop for corn and (pretty sure) for soybeans as well.... a lot of economic factors at play, article mentions inputs but tariffs and just the ability to sell the product is a big one (soybeans has gotten a lot of attention in this regard re. China)

[Deleterious]

Long but good read about how much trouble the soybean farmers are in.  

Soybeans Without a Buyer: The Export Gap Hurting U.S. Farms

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As a result, China currently has zero new crop export orders for U.S. soybeans on the books for MY 2025/26. This time of year, and in years in which trade disputes were a non-issue, China has typically ordered an average of 14% of its anticipated soybean purchases from the U.S. before soybean harvest begins in the Heartland, with a high of 27% ordered going into MY 2022/23. Other countries have not made up the difference either, with new crop sales down 81% from the five-year average.

 

[CMRivdogs]

15 hours ago, mtutiger said:

It's also just attrition.... the boomers are retiring, and there are less of us than there are any of us.

Am sympathetic to farmers, especially given where we live. They are getting hammered right now and are pissed.... politically, you see it with the Iowa special elections, for instance. But it was very very predictable nonetheless.

Yet I'm still seeing Winsome signs (Trumpublican candidate for governor) along rural highways. It's in their DNA

[romad1]

8 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Yet I'm still seeing Winsome signs (Trumpublican candidate for governor) along rural highways. It's in their DNA

And they have funding