Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

We've had voting machines since the mid '60s on a regular basis if not before. I would say most machines are optical readers, leaving a paper trail. 

Getting rid of mail in ballots disenfranchises poor citizens, Ones that cannot afford to take the time off to stand in line at a polling place, do not have the means of getting there, or have employers that will not allow time off.

If you are going in that direction then declare it a national holiday, mandate that all businesses must be closed on election days and provide transportation for all who desire it. Also do away with absentee ballots. **** your planned vacation, if you want to vote, stay home. That includes all politician's as well.

The only people who think the current system is rigged are the ones trying to rig it 

[Sports_Freak]

18 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

We've had voting machines since the mid '60s on a regular basis if not before. I would say most machines are optical readers, leaving a paper trail. 

Getting rid of mail in ballots disenfranchises poor citizens, Ones that cannot afford to take the time off to stand in line at a polling place, do not have the means of getting there, or have employers that will not allow time off.

If you are going in that direction then declare it a national holiday, mandate that all businesses must be closed on election days and provide transportation for all who desire it. Also do away with absentee ballots. **** your planned vacation, if you want to vote, stay home. That includes all politician's as well.

The only people who think the current system is rigged are the ones trying to rig it 

It also takes away voters serving in the military overseas. As well as residents of nursing homes who can't vote in person, even if transportation was provided. 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

It also takes away voters serving in the military overseas. As well as residents of nursing homes who can't vote in person, even if transportation was provided. 

I don't think Trump will get any GOP support on this - as noted, forcing people to vote in person hits GOP constituencies  - the old and working class workers, the hardest.

[CMRivdogs]

Oakland County, Farmington Hills instituted "absentee, early voting, for senior citizens" several years ago. In Virginia we can ask for a mail in ballot. I get one and usually drop it off at the county registrar's office when my wife goes to vote. It's quick, and extremely easy. The ballots are read by an optical machine. Hanging Chad's are probably an ancient relic now.

Anyone who opposes this system is a loser and ckouldn't graduate from sixth grade unless their father paid someone off

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, guy incognito said:

He’s not planning to “close it for two years”. He’s planning to bulldoze it to the ground and erect some gilded horror in its place as yet another monument to himself.

I’m thinking modern-day Colosseum. Where he can stage his UFC matches or Hunger Games or damnatio ad bestias spectacles or whatever.

I think this is probably true. He's closing it well in advance of bulldozing so it falls off everyone's radar, people stop talking about it entirely, and then, suddenly, the bulldozers show up without warning or announcement. By the time people look up to see what's happening, the building will be half gone, the institution will have been abolished, and a grotesque replacement designed as a paean to elevating lowbrow culture will rise in its place.

[chasfh]

32 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Between this and the other thing you posted, please tell me that the so-called leftists are not going to become publicly outraged that Epstein and Trump are racist because don't wanna **** underage black girls.

[chasfh]

31 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

We've had voting machines since the mid '60s on a regular basis if not before. I would say most machines are optical readers, leaving a paper trail. 

Getting rid of mail in ballots disenfranchises poor citizens, Ones that cannot afford to take the time off to stand in line at a polling place, do not have the means of getting there, or have employers that will not allow time off.

If you are going in that direction then declare it a national holiday, mandate that all businesses must be closed on election days and provide transportation for all who desire it. Also do away with absentee ballots. **** your planned vacation, if you want to vote, stay home. That includes all politician's as well.

The only people who think the current system is rigged are the ones trying to rig it 

Of course we had voting machines going back decades and elections went off just fine. Just better, actually, because their advent made it harder for election officials to doctor paper ballots after the fact and make sure their candidates appear to win.

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Of course we had voting machines going back decades and elections went off just fine. Just better, actually, because their advent made it harder for election officials to doctor paper ballots after the fact and make sure their candidates appear to win.

LOL - I always distrusted these 'closet on wheels' machines with all the levers because you never got any kind of confirmation that it tallied. You would pull back the big red handle to open the curtain and all the levers you flipped down would flip back up and your votes were just gone - weren't they? (sort of like the Simpson banker clip?). 

These guys started showing up in the late 50's. The first election after I was in grade school was 1960 and I remember these bad boys lined up in the hallways prior the Nixon/Kennedy election.

Edited 4 hours ago by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

If our Disruptor In Chief really wanted fair elections, he would suggest (not demand on his private social media) something like this.

1) Hand marked paper ballots. Standardized paper as to size and format.

2) Optical scanning of all ballots

3) Ballots counted when they are returned, results withheld until after election day. This includes both mail in and hand delivered early voting.

4) No pure electronic voting.

5) Standardized Audits, triggered automatically if the percentage of the vote is within certain perimeters (say 1-3%). The audits performed by independent parties (this maybe a stretch). All audit results must be transparent.

No pure electronic voting. There must be a paper trail

Independent and secure methods to transport ballots if moved to a central location.

Heavy fines for frivolous challenges,

Just a few thoughts. I have no objections to early voting, or mail in ballots. There must be cutoff dates for mail in ballots, say postmarked 10 before election day. Walk-in early voting ends the Friday before election day. I would leave most of this for the states to decide since elections are still run by the states and not the Federal Goverment, 

 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

. I would leave most of this for the states to decide since elections are still run by the states and not the Federal Goverment, 

That's the other thing. I'm sure all Trump has done with this screed is tick off more Texans by accusing them of not running an honest election. Texans are nothing if not proud.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Oakland County, Farmington Hills instituted "absentee, early voting, for senior citizens" several years ago. In Virginia we can ask for a mail in ballot. I get one and usually drop it off at the county registrar's office when my wife goes to vote. It's quick, and extremely easy. The ballots are read by an optical machine. Hanging Chad's are probably an ancient relic now.

Anyone who opposes this system is a loser and ckouldn't graduate from sixth grade unless their father paid someone off

Its not only easier but it also gives a voter much more time and able to get more info about each candidate. I've been using mail in ballots for several years and I carefully look up each person before I vote for them. Mail in voting is fair, safe and more convenient, IMO.

[smr-nj]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

Its not only easier but it also gives a voter much more time and able to get more info about each candidate. I've been using mail in ballots for several years and I carefully look up each person before I vote for them. Mail in voting is fair, safe and more convenient, IMO.

Without a doubt. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

LOL - I always distrusted these 'closet on wheels' machines with all the levers because you never got any kind of confirmation that it tallied. You would pull back the big red handle to open the curtain and all the levers you flipped down would flip back up and your votes were just gone - weren't they? (sort of like the Simpson banker clip?). 

These guys started showing up in the late 50's. The first election after I was in grade school was 1960 and I remember these bad boys lined up in the hallways prior the Nixon/Kennedy election.

Can you share with me why those machines are untrustworthy? I don’t know anything about them, specifically. 

Edited 3 hours ago by chasfh

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Its not only easier but it also gives a voter much more time and able to get more info about each candidate. I've been using mail in ballots for several years and I carefully look up each person before I vote for them. Mail in voting is fair, safe and more convenient, IMO.

No argument. It sure beats standing in line and running the gauntlet of "supporters" outside the polls.

[Dan Gilmore]

Didn’t Drumpf vote by mail? Can a reporter pin him down on why it’s wrong , but he has used it?

[smr-nj]

Additionally, having physical restrictions, whether it be not able to stand for a length of time, or even walk to the polling places - does this somehow disqualify you from being a citizen wanted to do their civic duty?

Bwcause it sure as hell feels that way

[CMRivdogs]

14 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Didn’t Drumpf vote by mail? Can a reporter pin him down on why it’s wrong , but he has used it?

Falls under laws for thee but not for me category.. 

[Tiger337]

Trump doesn't like voting in person because he doesn't know how to use the machines.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

4 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Someone is bigly upset about the Texas race 

The barking carnival clown is at it again. Anytime he gets a result he doesn't like, from someone he doesn't like, it's fraud or a scam or fake/fake news or the persons crooked or corrupt or a moron. It's all projection of course, because he's barking the loudest to deflect from and hide his own crimes, foolishness, misgivings, and stupidity.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Can you share with me why those machines are untrustworthy? I don’t know anything about them, specifically. 

no - that's why the laugh as the premise. I just always found the experience using them to be unnerving because it feels like when you are done and you open the curtain the machine is undoing your vote. It doesn't of course, but it's easy to watch all those levers you flipped down pop back up and wonder if they actually got counted, because the machine gives you no clue or confirmation that it's tabulating the votes, all you see is the levers go back up.

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

21 hours ago, romad1 said:

 

It was Adelson's candidate with a big bankroll that didn't make it out of the 1st round in Tx Senate 9.

[LaceyLou]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Between this and the other thing you posted, please tell me that the so-called leftists are not going to become publicly outraged that Epstein and Trump are racist because don't wanna **** underage black girls.

True. As disgusting as the sentiment is, I can't help but think of a line from an old English novel: He's so unpleasant that it would be quite a misfortune to be liked by him. 

[Edman85]

I have a family member who is a poll worker and says that particular day gives her so much faith in the system and how foolproof it is.

[chasfh]

50 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

The barking carnival clown is at it again. Anytime he gets a result he doesn't like, from someone he doesn't like, it's fraud or a scam or fake/fake news or the persons crooked or corrupt or a moron.

Projection Exhibit A.

[chasfh]

51 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

no - that's why the laugh as the premise. I just always found the experience using them to be unnerving because it feels like when you are done and you open the curtain the machine is undoing your vote. It doesn't of course, but it's easy to watch all those levers you flipped down pop back up and wonder if they actually got counted, because the machine gives you no clue or confirmation that it's tabulating the votes, all you see is the levers go back up.

I see, OK. I never felt that when I voted with those machine, but I can feel why people would feel that way.