2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, Longgone said:

Players with a lot a swing and miss tend to be streaky.

Which is why I believe Harris targets players who are NOT huge swing and miss... 

To avoid those cold as Antartica streaks...

[gehringer_2]

5 hours ago, Longgone said:

Players with a lot a swing and miss tend to be streaky.

but Riley's swing and miss is up ~20% from his career avg, so maybe he doesn't need to be so streaky.

[chasfh]

On 7/9/2025 at 9:30 AM, Tiger337 said:

That kind of explains the difference between b-ref and fangraphs pitching WAR.  b-ref focuses on past performannce while fangraphs is morte predictive.  Both philosophies have their uses.  But what if fielding performance does in fact change because a player loses a step?  Then we don't know if the change is due to performance or variability.  It has been shown that fielding performance peaks earlier than hitting.  

Fangraphs displays two types of pitcher’s WAR: fWAR (i.e., regular WAR) and RA9-WAR. fWAR is calculated based on FIP—which itself is largely made up of walk rate, strikeout rate, and home run rate, the things pitchers are assumed to have control over—and is meant to be predictive. RA9-WAR adjusts fWAR by layering on BIP and LOB and is meant to be more reflective. We can see all this side by side on a pitcher’s Fangraphs card. Reference’s bWAR is generally closer to RA9-WAR than fWAR, and to me, is not even necessarily needed as long as I can see RA9-WAR, BIP-wins, LOB-wins, and fWAR all side by side.

[chasfh]

9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

but Riley's swing and miss is up ~20% from his career avg, so maybe he doesn't need to be so streaky.

Seems pretty clear Riley is selling out for homers by increasing hit bad speed and his launch angle. It’s working, as far as homers go. As for overall hitting effectiveness regarding wRC+ and wOBA, if you believe small changes are significant it seems to be working for him. If you don’t believe so much in that, it’s a wash.

I am a bit concerned about Riley’s taking a step back on his LF defense.

[gehringer_2]

38 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Seems pretty clear Riley is selling out for homers by increasing hit bad speed and his launch angle. It’s working, as far as homers go. As for overall hitting effectiveness regarding wRC+ and wOBA, if you believe small changes are significant it seems to be working for him. If you don’t believe so much in that, it’s a wash.

I am a bit concerned about Riley’s taking a step back on his LF defense.

the question is whether with the sell out approach he has opened holes in his plate coverage that pitchers are starting to exploit more effectively, meaning that he won't be able to maintain overall production until he makes another adjustment.

the other possibility is he is nursing an injury. This started pretty suddenly. He was cruising until the 2nd game of the Oakland series and is 9 for 58 with 23 K's since.

Edited 20 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Hongbit]

51 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Seems pretty clear Riley is selling out for homers by increasing hit bad speed and his launch angle. It’s working, as far as homers go.

 

This seems true of most current ballplayers that have even a modicum of power.  

[oblong]

Is Mize an All Star or not?  I see a lot of reporting by shady sites but they all source one person.

 

[papalawrence]

6 minutes ago, oblong said:

Is Mize an All Star or not?  I see a lot of reporting by shady sites but they all source one person.

 

SI is reporting it

Tigers Earn Another All-Star Selection in Resurgent Star Pitcher Casey Mize https://share.google/MTIej5OJWQlVeTpIz