2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Does it stay that way constantly, or does it adjust once claims are made and the team making the most recent claim goes to the bottom of the list?  Seems like a huge advantage for the Rockies who could seemingly just grab up whatever they want after the spring and trade deadlines without risk/reward discussions

No... The only exception being the same player being claimed in a waiver period: a team that already claimed him moves to the back of the line.

The risk is roster spot. You have to keep the guy around for a couple days (full week in the offseason), so you can't just bypass the roster crunch.

[Nate7474]

Who goes down when Parker is back which sounds like very soon? 

Sweeney/Malloy/Perez seem to be the most likely targets. Sweeney is going to be my guess for a reset. He’s been struggling for a while now at the plate and seems to have gone over to the field here recently. 

[gehringer_2]

18 minutes ago, Nate7474 said:

Who goes down when Parker is back which sounds like very soon? 

Sweeney/Malloy/Perez seem to be the most likely targets. Sweeney is going to be my guess for a reset. He’s been struggling for a while now at the plate and seems to have gone over to the field here recently. 

Sweeney and Malloy have similar OPS over the last month or so, both around 600. Sweeney marginally better. But Sweeney plays a premium position and actually has a reverse platoon split, so it's pretty hard for me to see what possible advantage there in in keeping Malloy, but the fact is TPTB seem to like him more than I do (as a player that is ).

[Nate7474]

7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Sweeney and Malloy have similar OPS over the last month or so, both around 600. Sweeney marginally better. But Sweeney plays a premium position and actually has a reverse platoon split, so it's pretty hard for me to see what possible advantage there in in keeping Malloy, but the fact is TPTB seem to like him more than I do (as a player that is ).

That’s funny cause I actually see Malloy as the least likely of the 3 (definitely means he’ll be the choice). I could see them sending down Perez not because he deserves it but just to get him at bats since he hasn’t had a lot with his DL stint. 

[Tiger337]

37 minutes ago, Nate7474 said:

Who goes down when Parker is back which sounds like very soon? 

Sweeney/Malloy/Perez seem to be the most likely targets. Sweeney is going to be my guess for a reset. He’s been struggling for a while now at the plate and seems to have gone over to the field here recently. 

I was assuming it would me Malloy, but looking at Sweeney's numbers, he has fallen more than I realized.  For what it's worth, Statcast does not like his defense either.  This is all kind of depressing as he seemed pretty solid overall a few weeks ago.   

[gehringer_2]

22 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I was assuming it would me Malloy, but looking at Sweeney's numbers, he has fallen more than I realized.  For what it's worth, Statcast does not like his defense either.  This is all kind of depressing as he seemed pretty solid overall a few weeks ago.   

he raised his OPS 50+ from April to May so the trend is in a good direction, but the less promising part is his walks are dropping off. I don't know if I'd be keen on just throwing Baez out there full time at SS again, but with Javy who knows?

McKinstry is having a great year but I still don't like him as an everyday SS.

Edited Monday at 04:11 PM by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I was assuming it would me Malloy, but looking at Sweeney's numbers, he has fallen more than I realized.  For what it's worth, Statcast does not like his defense either.  This is all kind of depressing as he seemed pretty solid overall a few weeks ago.   

For all the noise made about how bad we suck at third base, the real hole in the roster has been at shortstop.

[Sports_Freak]

6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

he raised his OPS 50+ from April to May so the trend is in a good direction, but the less promising part is his walks are dropping off. I don't know if I'd be keen on just throwing Baez out there full time at SS again, but with Javy who knows?

McKinstry is having a great year but I still don't like him as an everyday SS.

Zack has a really strong arm. But not great range. 3rd base or corner OF is his best spots. 

[oblong]

Props to the Tigers PR department.  This account has been very informative.

 

[Tigermojo]

4 minutes ago, oblong said:

Props to the Tigers PR department.  This account has been very informative.

 

If you told me that before the season, I would have said no way they are all this good.

[Tigermojo]

Now with Meadows and Perez, they could end up with ten above average hitters.

[RandyMarsh]

Dingler may be the most pleasant surprise, his walk rate makes you question the offense going forward but he does make a bunch of loud contact and if he ends up being even close to what his current numbers are then we have ourselves another young position player to be excited about.

[chasfh]

55 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

If you told me that before the season, I would have said no way they are all this good.

If you'd've told many fans last season it was going to be like that this season, they'd've assumed the entire hitting coaching staff would have been replaced to make that happen.

[Tigermojo]

18 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If you'd've told many fans last season it was going to be like that this season, they'd've assumed the entire hitting coaching staff would have been replaced to make that happen.

Outside looking in sounds like information overload in previous seasons to fun montage videos this year. Just going by what the announcers talk about.

[Tigermojo]

29 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Dingler may be the most pleasant surprise, his walk rate makes you question the offense going forward but he does make a bunch of loud contact and if he ends up being even close to what his current numbers are then we have ourselves another young position player to be excited about.

He had a good walk rate in the minors. I'm sure that will improve with experience. He only has 250 AB in the Majors.

[4hzglory]

1 hour ago, Tigermojo said:

He had a good walk rate in the minors. I'm sure that will improve with experience. He only has 250 AB in the Majors.

It's still amazing to me how many wrote him off after his 1/2 season last year.  If you looked at his history, every time he was moved up, he struggled for roughly 1/2 season.  Then he came around.  Obviously there was no guarantee of it happening in the majors, but to completely write him off as many seemed to do didn't make any sense to me.

[Shinzaki]

Dingler and Rogers gives this team a tandem of great defensive catchers.   Dingler's offense is an added bonus

[Motor City Sonics]

What happens when Matt Vierling healths up ?  

 

I don't really see anyone they need to send down.     I don't see Sweeny being the guy to go down

 

Three weeks ago I would have said Colt Keith, but he's finally come around.   Maybe put him in cryogenic sleep until Mid May every year?  

 

No spot for Matty V.    Wow, what a good problem to have.   

 

Of all the trade deadline needs, if this team stays healthy, it might be an inning-eating starting pitcher.  A 4th or a 5th.  

Edited yesterday at 06:06 PM by Motor City Sonics

[IdahoBert]

This wRC+ stat is quite amazing. It demonstrates the truth contained in Garrison Keillor‘s assertion about the town of Lake Wobegon where all the players — instead of children — are above average. This really does make a difference when paired with run prevention. 

Yes we have hitters who are relatively speaking stars but none of them are Aaron Judge, or Ohtani etc. But further on down the lineup this above average thing pays dividends and fills in gaps that are unfilled in other clubs, even perhaps really good ones.

I guess it’s a combination of choosing players capable of doing this and refining their skill set to enhance their efficacy.

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, 4hzglory said:

It's still amazing to me how many wrote him off after his 1/2 season last year.  If you looked at his history, every time he was moved up, he struggled for roughly 1/2 season.  Then he came around.  Obviously there was no guarantee of it happening in the majors, but to completely write him off as many seemed to do didn't make any sense to me.

There is writing off a prospect and there is not counting on a prospect until he proves himself.  I usually do the latter with every prospect.  

Edited yesterday at 07:09 PM by Tiger337

[IdahoBert]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

What happens when Matt Vierling healths up ?  

 

I don't really see anyone they need to send down.     I don't see Sweeny being the guy to go down

 

Three weeks ago I would have said Colt Keith, but he's finally come around.   Maybe put him in cryogenic sleep until Mid May every year?  

 

No spot for Matty V.    Wow, what a good problem to have.   

 

Of all the trade deadline needs, if this team stays healthy, it might be an inning-eating starting pitcher.  A 4th or a 5th.  

Having too many players that are good enough and not enough slots for them all is a good, though thorny, problem to have and I’m glad I’m not required to offer a solution. 

[Shinzaki]

I'm a pessimist...I think Vierling is gonna need rotator cuff surgery.  On ESPN.com, Passan suggests we spin some assets to acquire Bo Bichette.  Not sure he'd be much of an upgrade over just putting Javy back there

[gehringer_2]

50 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

This wRC+ stat is quite amazing. It demonstrates the truth contained in Garrison Keillor‘s assertion about the town of Lake Wobegon where all the players — instead of children — are above average. This really does make a difference when paired with run prevention. 

Yes we have hitters who are relatively speaking stars but none of them are Aaron Judge, or Ohtani etc. But further on down the lineup this above average thing pays dividends and fills in gaps that are unfilled in other clubs, even perhaps really good ones.

I guess it’s a combination of choosing players capable of doing this and refining their skill set to enhance their efficacy.

maybe we can persuade Lee or Chas to do the research  - but it is my statistically totally unproven but none the less firm belief, that depth in a baseball line-up will get you more production than the same total wRC+/WAR etc mal-distrubuted in a small number of huge stars. And I definitely believe that beyond that it's more cost efficient, the marginal cost of the best baseball players generally exceed the marginal value of how much better they are. I'll admit that is probably less true for pitchers, but the injury risks are so high for pitchers today I don't see how they can be rationally valued anyway.

Edited yesterday at 07:57 PM by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

42 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Having too many players that are good enough and not enough slots for them all is a good, though thorny, problem to have and I’m glad I’m not required to offer a solution. 

Someone is always hurt. Multiple roster crunches are generally anticipated for each one that materializes. It reminds me of payroll budgeting. One you get to a couple of dozen FTEs in a org, you are never going to keep them all filled all the time, so with luck they don't figure that out up the chain, and you may get a bit to play with in the personnel budget.

Edited yesterday at 07:52 PM by gehringer_2

[IdahoBert]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

it is my statistically totally unproven but none the less firm belief, that depth in a baseball line-up will get you more production than the same total wRC+/WAR etc mal-distrubuted in a small number of huge stars.

A big star usually gets four at bats a game. Five guys of better than average ability will have 20 chances to do something and what’s required is not always a grand slam.