Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Very difficult decision for Mr. Harris. Perhaps this is the "calculated risk " he mentioned during his initial press conference . A 400 million dollar risk. You know 330 makes him the highest paid pitcher ever and if it's 7 years it's also the highest ever per season.  Certainly a risk. 

I do think there is something to be said for what signing an in-house franchise stud says to the top tier free agents on the market: if the Tigers are willing to commit real money like that, they must be serious about contending. Couple that with the #1 farm system in the game starting to matriculate at the same time, and I think that would make us a lot more attractive a consideration in the free agent marketplace.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

I do remember.  And a friend of mine got hit on by a player in the early 2010's in Royal Oak, she showed me the video of him standing outside her car.  We all know who he is.

But that was back then.  Today I think it's different.  That's not to say they never go out but I think the local bar scene has zero effect into their decision on where to sign a contract.

I can see what you’re saying, and it makes sense. There may also be an influence by a wife who likes to shop in the bright lights on Manhattan or the chic of Rodeo Drive. Who knows—it takes all kinds.

I do think being comfortable in a city regarding its culture does factor into the decision. Probably culture on a team, too—what kind of players does a team have, where are their heads, do they think like I do, can I relate to the other guys already there, stuff like that.

[RatkoVarda]

Ok Tarik, if you want to stay, how about 10/400 starting now? that gives Skubal a $20M+ raise now, and re-sets the pitching market, and that takes one "dead" year off the back end for Detroit, and in advance of the 2027 lockout, give him a $35M signing bonus and salaries of 40/5/40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40 through 2035. CBA would still treat it as 40M/year, but Skubal would be protected from lost salary in 2027. I'm fine with opt out after 5 years. Deal?

[chasfh]

21 minutes ago, ToledoBrian said:

Let's see how crazy the forum thinks this proposal is 🤪.  8 years $ 350 million, buy his last arbitration year at 35 million, next 7 years at $ 45 million each.  Make years 7 & 8 player option.  Or start year 2 at 41 million and work up to 50 million by year 6....

I will support whatever deal Harris ends up making. I don’t care about the dollars, I care more abut the years, and honestly, with Skubal, anything that binds him here beyond six years starting in 2027 will make me a bit nervous for the future. I acknowledge there’s practically no chance we sign him for only six, but I would much rather we sign him for seven than for ten-plus.

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Ok Tarik, if you want to stay, how about 10/400 starting now? that gives Skubal a $20M+ raise now, and re-sets the pitching market, and that takes one "dead" year off the back end for Detroit, and in advance of the 2027 lockout, give him a $35M signing bonus and salaries of 40/5/40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40 through 2035. CBA would still treat it as 40M/year, but Skubal would be protected from lost salary in 2027. I'm fine with opt out after 5 years. Deal?

Depends. Will there be a salary cap starting in 2027?

[gehringer_2]

10 hours ago, Jason_R said:

 

It sure seems like Skubal is asking the Tigers not to trade him, and that he’s told Boras he wants to stay in Detroit. And it seems like Boras has been rattled into talking nonsense by learning that Skubal might not want to go to the highest bidder. 

I've certainly never heard Boras be that incoherent.

[oblong]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I've certainly never heard Boras be that incoherent.

yeah I thought it was fake to be honest.  I don't know what that means.

[KL2]

Happy that Skubal won the Cy Young

Not happy that a 'reporter' referred to him as her friend. 

Good work Emily

[theroundsquare]

12 hours ago, buddha said:

remember the year the tigers and white sox were battling down the stretch and ozzie came to detroit and took cabrera and the other venezuelan guys out drinking the night before?  cabrera played like ass and the tigers lost.

Twas 2009.  Had the Tigers won one more game against the white sox, game 163 would have been avoided.  Sigh.

[ICroupier]

If there wasn't video of it, I never would have believed that was a real Boras quote.

I think Jason is correct in that Skubal told Boras something behind the scenes ("I'm staying in Detroit, so get the best deal you can from them") that broke his brain.

[chasfh]

36 minutes ago, KL2 said:

Happy that Skubal won the Cy Young

Not happy that a 'reporter' referred to him as her friend. 

Good work Emily

The ship sailed on baseball media as journalism a long, long, long time ago.

[oblong]

33 minutes ago, theroundsquare said:

Twas 2009.  Had the Tigers won one more game against the white sox, game 163 would have been avoided.  Sigh.

and ozzie didn't necessarily "take him out" drinking.  Miggy met up with them at the team hotel which was probably walking distance from his house in Birmingham.

 

[oblong]

39 minutes ago, KL2 said:

Happy that Skubal won the Cy Young

Not happy that a 'reporter' referred to him as her friend. 

Good work Emily

Surprised we didn't see a "He won the Cy Young Award for the second consecutive year in a row" tweet.

The editor in me gets flabbergasted sometimes for what I see from "reporter"

 

[Motown Bombers]

16 hours ago, buddha said:

The auto industry and its feeder industries went through a bit of a downsizing in the late 80s, early 90s. there went your tax base.

remember when Suh left the Lions for the dolphins?  4.5% tax versus 0% tax is a big deal when youre making that kind of money.  

And youre a hockey fan, how many times in the last few years have you heard teams complain about losing free agents to low tax environments like florida or texas or vegas?  tons.

Detroit is not NY, Chicago, or LA where the cultural amenities, nightlife, and business opportunities outweigh tax considerations.  Marginal things like taxes will hurt a destination like detroit.

look, its not like detroit cant get free agents, it just has to overpay to get them or offer a championship window.

Or both.

I keep seeing Detroit has to overpay, who have Los Angeles and New York signed at a discount? Ohtani? 

[KL2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

The ship sailed on baseball media as journalism a long, long, long time ago.

Doesnt mean i can't call it out

[KL2]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

Surprised we didn't see a "He won the Cy Young Award for the second consecutive year in a row" tweet.

The editor in me gets flabbergasted sometimes for what I see from "reporter"

 

Objective

[Jason_R]

3 hours ago, ICroupier said:

If there wasn't video of it, I never would have believed that was a real Boras quote.

I think Jason is correct in that Skubal told Boras something behind the scenes ("I'm staying in Detroit, so get the best deal you can from them") that broke his brain.

I later saw a few other clips of Boras channeling Dr. Seuss while talking about other players, so he was in some kind of a mood. But the way he was talking about Skubal, and the way Skubal was talking, sure make it seem like Skubal wants Detroit to make him a respectable offer. 

Leaving aside the nursery rhymes, Boras is not talking like an agent who has been told “Get me a record-setting deal or else.”

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, KL2 said:

Doesnt mean i can't call it out

It sure doesn't.

This is the direct result of the changing of the media landscape from legacy media having a right to cover sports as news to legacy media depends on access to the talent. Sports used to need the media to help sell their product. Now that every sport has direct access to fans through their own media channels, they have zero need for newspapers or legacy broadcast to cover them.

Edited 19 hours ago by chasfh

[Sports_Freak]

Just amazing;

 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, KL2 said:

Objective

to be fair, the use of 'my friend' in a construction like that is an old English (and Spanish for that matter)  trope that doesn't necessarily imply any actual relationship - cf the tag line of the "World's most interesting Man" (Dos Equis) "Stay thirsty. my friend." - a statement to a general audience. 

OTOH, the fawining "steadfast", "you deserve" is another matter. 🙄

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Jason_R said:

I later saw a few other clips of Boras channeling Dr. Seuss while talking about other players, so he was in some kind of a mood. But the way he was talking about Skubal, and the way Skubal was talking, sure make it seem like Skubal wants Detroit to make him a respectable offer. 

Leaving aside the nursery rhymes, Boras is not talking like an agent who has been told “Get me a record-setting deal or else.”

I don't know his personal story, maybe he'd just spent too much time with the grandchildren and was in 4 yr old overload?  🙃

Edited 19 hours ago by gehringer_2

[papalawrence]

Been thinking about Skubal's recent comments. He's likely hearing about all of the trade speculation, perhaps that's why he finally came out and said he'd love to stay in Detroit. I also wonder if he's read any of the posts on social media about his leaving game 5 after 6 innings? There is a lot of chatter about that, and the fact that Yamamato went 8 and 9. Skubal is such a competitor, that I won't be surprised to see him want to stretch his count out to 110-115.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

Just amazing;

 

Only a matter of time I think until Skenes duplicates this. Those two are on another level right now. 

[SoCalTiger]

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

I do think there is something to be said for what signing an in-house franchise stud says to the top tier free agents on the market: if the Tigers are willing to commit real money like that, they must be serious about contending. Couple that with the #1 farm system in the game starting to matriculate at the same time, and I think that would make us a lot more attractive a consideration in the free agent marketplace.

Considering the youth of our core both up and in the minors it does seem possible to pay one person 40 mil plus and still remain at or below 200 per year. 
Maybe Skubal was who Greenberg was referring when he said “we are concentrating on pitching “

[gehringer_2]

26 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Been thinking about Skubal's recent comments. He's likely hearing about all of the trade speculation, perhaps that's why he finally came out and said he'd love to stay in Detroit. I also wonder if he's read any of the posts on social media about his leaving game 5 after 6 innings? There is a lot of chatter about that, and the fact that Yamamato went 8 and 9. Skubal is such a competitor, that I won't be surprised to see him want to stretch his count out to 110-115.

I don't there are many players who don't have at least some reluctance to leave their first team, esp when it's the team that drafted them and brought them all the way to the majors. The question is always how 'some reluctance' does or doesn't translate into actually being willing to take any less than the highest bidder's offer!