AlaskanTigersFan Posted yesterday at 02:16 AM Author Posted yesterday at 02:16 AM 19 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: We're signing Framber!!!! 3yrsx115 milion Sasaki for Skubal...nice starting point I was just gonna ask if you all think signing Framber means Skubal is gone before the season starts? Or does Harris try running it with Framber and Skubal and see how it goes? Me personally, I hope he gets traded (been saying that all season). But curious on your thoughts on that. Quote
Tenacious D Posted yesterday at 02:18 AM Posted yesterday at 02:18 AM Just now, AlaskanTigersFan said: I was just gonna ask if you all think signing Framber means Skubal is gone before the season starts? Or does Harris try running it with Framber and Skubal and see how it goes? Me personally, I hope he gets traded (been saying that all season). But curious on your thoughts on that. Hard to say, but a team trading for him would have wanted to avoid arbitration, so something could happen now. Quote
1984Echoes Posted yesterday at 02:52 AM Posted yesterday at 02:52 AM 3 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Anyone hoping that Skubal wins? Genuinely curious. All my life I’ve sided with the team over the players and wondering if anyone feels differently. I'm on your side. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted yesterday at 02:55 AM Author Posted yesterday at 02:55 AM If Skubal wins (which I think he will), there will be no baseball next year. Small market teams will NEVER be able to compete again. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted yesterday at 03:07 AM Posted yesterday at 03:07 AM idle talk this afternoon on radio that losing the arb case would motivate the Tiger to move Skubal to they would have the money to add enough to counter his loss. I'm just the messenger here..... Quote
gehringer_2 Posted yesterday at 03:09 AM Posted yesterday at 03:09 AM I could see this. I think the real argument is going to be between the two sets of owners, the players union is just going to be along for the ride. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted yesterday at 03:12 AM Posted yesterday at 03:12 AM 46 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Hard to say, but a team trading for him would have wanted to avoid arbitration, so something could happen now. And while it never crossed my mind about any player but the outcome of the arbitration hearing really affects his value as trade stock. It just seems like if the Tigers win, he would get a bigger return in a trade? Not that I want that, I would prefer if the Tigers had the money to extend him. If not, i want to see an entire season of Skubal and Valdez Quote
Hongbit Posted yesterday at 03:16 AM Posted yesterday at 03:16 AM 3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: And while it never crossed my mind about any player but the outcome of the arbitration hearing really affects his value as trade stock. It just seems like if the Tigers win, he would get a bigger return in a trade? Not that I want that, I would prefer if the Tigers had the money to extend him. If not, i want to see an entire season of Skubal and Valdez Good points but I don’t think the Dodgers care about $13M either way. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted yesterday at 03:16 AM Posted yesterday at 03:16 AM 2 hours ago, lordstanley said: I don't really care either way. All I know is that the Tigers didn't pony up to sign Skubal so instead went horsing around into the big game of chicken called arbitration and if the Tigers lose they'll have to grin and bear it. My worry is the Tigers business plan is to trade Skubal if they lose. Having to pay Skubal what he's asking may not fit into their payroll. Players are overhead in sports. At least, for short sited owners. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted yesterday at 03:33 AM Posted yesterday at 03:33 AM 16 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: My worry is the Tigers business plan is to trade Skubal if they lose. Having to pay Skubal what he's asking may not fit into their payroll. Players are overhead in sports. At least, for short sited owners. The fact that they just committed 38.5AAV to Valdez means an extra $10M could become more significant. But who knows? Quote
Sports_Freak Posted yesterday at 03:38 AM Posted yesterday at 03:38 AM 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The fact that they just committed 38.5AAV to Valdez means an extra $10M could become more significant. But who knows? I would be surprised if Skubal loses in arbitration. Back to back Cy Young awards? Comp that, Detroit. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted yesterday at 03:41 AM Posted yesterday at 03:41 AM 1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said: I would be surprised if Skubal loses in arbitration. Back to back Cy Young awards? Comp that, Detroit. OTOH, if the Tigers are not willing to dig into the couch cushions to find $10M for one year to keep together a potential WS staff, then what are we all here for? 2 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted yesterday at 04:00 AM Posted yesterday at 04:00 AM 19 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: OTOH, if the Tigers are not willing to dig into the couch cushions to find $10M for one year to keep together a potential WS staff, then what are we all here for? Quote
SoCalTiger Posted yesterday at 05:20 AM Posted yesterday at 05:20 AM I think Skubal will lose his arbitration case based on the fact all pitchers making more were only able to do that as a free agent with 30 teams bidding for their services and Skubal does not have that but has been offered a very healthy raise of over 50 %. If Skubal does win then arbitration is very damaged going forward and will add the labor difficulties. Perhaps leading to a more team friendly arbitration process or none at all in exchange for a salary floor without cap. Just guessing. 2 Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted yesterday at 05:36 AM Author Posted yesterday at 05:36 AM Sasaki/Valdez looks really nice to me. Not too far off from Skubal/Valdez. Not to mention the other pieces we'd get as well...... I'll take it. Remember, Sasaki last year had a 75 grade from Baseball America..... thats litearlly one point from a perfect prospect. If he pitches like he did in the playoffs all year long..... sheeeeeeeeesh. Quote
tiger2022 Posted yesterday at 10:58 AM Posted yesterday at 10:58 AM 7 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: And while it never crossed my mind about any player but the outcome of the arbitration hearing really affects his value as trade stock. It just seems like if the Tigers win, he would get a bigger return in a trade? Not that I want that, I would prefer if the Tigers had the money to extend him. If not, i want to see an entire season of Skubal and Valdez I know you want the Tigers to extend him, but why would he want to stay with an organization that he feels isn't trying when he can go to another team that will put him in a better position to win a WS? 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted yesterday at 11:23 AM Posted yesterday at 11:23 AM 17 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I know you want the Tigers to extend him, but why would he want to stay with an organization that he feels isn't trying when he can go to another team that will put him in a better position to win a WS? I agree that the Tigers made a huge mistake for lowballing him in arbitration. The guy is a top 5 pitcher in MLB, or better. He should be paid according. With the Valdez signing, I really see a trade coming but I'll be very pissed off at the Tigers. Al least keep him for '26 and get us onto a deep playoff run. Quote
TigerNation Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM 6 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: Sasaki/Valdez looks really nice to me. Not too far off from Skubal/Valdez. Not to mention the other pieces we'd get as well...... I'll take it. Remember, Sasaki last year had a 75 grade from Baseball America..... thats litearlly one point from a perfect prospect. If he pitches like he did in the playoffs all year long..... sheeeeeeeeesh. The Dodgers wouldn't trade Sasaki for Skubal straight up. Quote
TigerNation Posted yesterday at 11:57 AM Posted yesterday at 11:57 AM 58 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I know you want the Tigers to extend him, but why would he want to stay with an organization that he feels isn't trying when he can go to another team that will put him in a better position to win a WS? Skubal is going to whichever team offers him the biggest contract. Quote
buddha Posted yesterday at 12:10 PM Posted yesterday at 12:10 PM $38.5 for valdez and you wont give your home grown, cy young x2 starter more than $19? 1 Quote
Nate7474 Posted yesterday at 12:14 PM Posted yesterday at 12:14 PM 1 minute ago, buddha said: $38.5 for valdez and you wont give your home grown, cy young x2 starter more than $19? It’s not about Skubal. It’s about every other pitcher after him entering arbitration. If players are going to be that expensive it essentially means small market teams have to try and sign and buy out years earlier or trade them sooner. 1 Quote
Longgone Posted yesterday at 12:17 PM Posted yesterday at 12:17 PM 51 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I agree that the Tigers made a huge mistake for lowballing him in arbitration. The guy is a top 5 pitcher in MLB, or better. He should be paid according. With the Valdez signing, I really see a trade coming but I'll be very pissed off at the Tigers. Al least keep him for '26 and get us onto a deep playoff run. They didn't "low ball" him, Arbitration isn't intended to reflect what a players value would be in free agency. 5 1 Quote
4hzglory Posted yesterday at 01:04 PM Posted yesterday at 01:04 PM (edited) 54 minutes ago, Longgone said: They didn't "low ball" him, Arbitration isn't intended to reflect what a players value would be in free agency. I agree. For optics, I do wish they would come in with a number beginning in 2, but it they started at $19.8 in pre arb negotiations and were supposedly willing to move, but Boras wouldn't negotiate at all. So they filed at $19 Edited yesterday at 01:11 PM by 4hzglory Quote
oblong Posted yesterday at 01:09 PM Posted yesterday at 01:09 PM 51 minutes ago, Longgone said: They didn't "low ball" him, Arbitration isn't intended to reflect what a players value would be in free agency. Thank you. Arbitration is a process. Skubal knows this. Boras knows this. Nobody is going to be "pissed" when the result is known. Skubal might be "bummed" for the lost money but he knows the game. 2 Quote
tiger2022 Posted yesterday at 01:20 PM Posted yesterday at 01:20 PM 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: I agree that the Tigers made a huge mistake for lowballing him in arbitration. The guy is a top 5 pitcher in MLB, or better. He should be paid according. With the Valdez signing, I really see a trade coming but I'll be very pissed off at the Tigers. Al least keep him for '26 and get us onto a deep playoff run. If they trade Skubal before the season starts, the Tigers will be dead to me. It would confirm my belief that they aren't serious about winning. I don't care about magic beans or Ilitch wanting to cut payroll. I want them to win now. Quote
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