Sports_Freak Posted June 17 Posted June 17 57 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: I don't think people realize how deep the Dodgers are. All three of their OF positions are locked up for the next three years (at least) and they have six of their top 10 prospects are OF'rs. Not to mention who they get in the draft this year. There's no room for them. I think the Dodgers would happily trade two of them to get Skubal and then have the inside track on signing him long term. Or at least show Skubal what LA's truly like for a few months. I'm sticking with my prediction for Skubal: De Paula Sirota (Rather have Quintero than both of these guys but meh) River Ryan Brady Smith It's good to be optimistic. But in reality, the Dodgers have a 9 game lead in their division right now and have given up the least amount of runs in MLB. I just don't see them sending over 4 can't miss prospects for the possibility of a 3 month rental. If those prospects are really that highly thought of, other teams would also be offering them established players for some of them. If Detroit does end up trading Skubal, I really hope we get a haul. But keeping expectations lower won't lead to as much disappointment. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 46 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Like I said, much of that is click bait. Harris has never swung any big deals, but like you said, we'll see. The national "pundits" do not know any more than any of us. The ideas they throw out there might be good discussion points, but almost nothing they say ever happens. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 17 Posted June 17 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: The national "pundits" do not know any more than any of us. The ideas they throw out there might be good discussion points, but almost nothing they say ever happens. Just like the hundreds of "mock drafts." Writers, justifying their jobs... Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: It's good to be optimistic. But in reality, the Dodgers have a 9 game lead in their division right now and have given up the least amount of runs in MLB. I just don't see them sending over 4 can't miss prospects for the possibility of a 3 month rental. If those prospects are really that highly thought of, other teams would also be offering them established players for some of them. If Detroit does end up trading Skubal, I really hope we get a haul. But keeping expectations lower won't lead to as much disappointment. Acquiring Skubal at the deadline for the Dodgers would give them an inside track of signing him long term though. 1 Quote
papalawrence Posted June 17 Posted June 17 The Dodgers fly by their own playbook. 4/240 for Tucker?!? If they want Skubal they will offer enough to get him. And then perhaps have the best starting rotation of all time. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted June 18 Posted June 18 If they trade Skubal I want quality over quantity. Just get one real solid piece with 6 years control in a key position. I don't want four high ceiling blowouts. I want a high floor player- someone sound defensively that can BANG. We need POWER. Preferably right-handed but there is a real shortage of it everywhere in the game right now. Quote
chasfh Posted June 18 Posted June 18 8 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: If they trade Skubal I want quality over quantity. Just get one real solid piece with 6 years control in a key position. I don't want four high ceiling blowouts. I want a high floor player- someone sound defensively that can BANG. We need POWER. Preferably right-handed but there is a real shortage of it everywhere in the game right now. I want that, too. If no one offers that, would you be okay getting whatever we can for Skubal, or would you rather keep him at that point? I myself am not sure what I would want in that case. Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Beware the Dodgers They generally do not trade away prospects they actually covet and I think their prospects rankings are getting the Yankees treatment from the 90s and early 00's: "look at the Dodgers, they have 69 top prospects" and then 67 of them fail horribly when they get to the big leagues. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted June 18 Posted June 18 3 hours ago, chasfh said: I want that, too. If no one offers that, would you be okay getting whatever we can for Skubal, or would you rather keep him at that point? I myself am not sure what I would want in that case. Today I am holding on to Skubal under your scenario but come deadline, which I think is your question, it has to be better than the draft pick and worth the damage to my (Harris) future trade abilities so no. I mean if Harris "dumps" Skubal - perhaps the most coveted deadline target of all time - then he really isn't qualified for the position. Quote
Jimbo Posted June 18 Posted June 18 I don't think the Dodgers trade for Skubal because they feel like they need him to win the WS. I think they trade him to keep him from going to a team like the Brewers. So that is the angle the Tigers need to go. You wait till the end and simply take the best option and play teams against each other. I am wondering if the situation next year will get more or less for Skubal. On one point, teams like the Dodgers might want to get another championship before there is a harder cap. On the other end, that is why you need top prospects with years of control. So it will be interesting. 1 Quote
KL2 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 On 6/17/2026 at 11:59 AM, Tiger337 said: The national "pundits" do not know any more than any of us. The ideas they throw out there might be good discussion points, but almost nothing they say ever happens. That's not true for the good ones. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, KL2 said: That's not true for the good ones. Give me some examples. Quote
chasfh Posted June 19 Posted June 19 10 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Today I am holding on to Skubal under your scenario but come deadline, which I think is your question, it has to be better than the draft pick and worth the damage to my (Harris) future trade abilities so no. I mean if Harris "dumps" Skubal - perhaps the most coveted deadline target of all time - then he really isn't qualified for the position. I can’t see him dumping Skubal for a J.D. Martinez-type return. I think he sees the value in the pick enough so if he doesn’t get a return that they project exceeds it, he’ll hold Skubal. But tell you what, if he ends up holding Skubal, he’s going to get an ear full of **** about it for months on end. As it is, anything short of a top 20 prospect, or multiple top 100s, is gonna make people mad. His needle is so narrow it’s practically no win for him. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: I can’t see him dumping Skubal for a J.D. Martinez-type return. I think he sees the value in the pick enough so if he doesn’t get a return that they project exceeds it, he’ll hold Skubal. But tell you what, if he ends up holding Skubal, he’s going to get an ear full of **** about it for months on end. As it is, anything short of a top 20 prospect, or multiple top 100s, is gonna make people mad. His needle is so narrow it’s practically no win for him. That’s his own fault though. 2 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted June 19 Posted June 19 3 hours ago, chasfh said: I can’t see him dumping Skubal for a J.D. Martinez-type return. I think he sees the value in the pick enough so if he doesn’t get a return that they project exceeds it, he’ll hold Skubal. But tell you what, if he ends up holding Skubal, he’s going to get an ear full of **** about it for months on end. As it is, anything short of a top 20 prospect, or multiple top 100s, is gonna make people mad. His needle is so narrow it’s practically no win for him. I actually think the "Tarik Skubal situation" was a thorn in his side and wrench in his plans ( forcing him to accelerate his timeline) and he will be happy it's over one way or the other. Quote
papalawrence Posted June 19 Posted June 19 44 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: I actually think the "Tarik Skubal situation" was a thorn in his side and wrench in his plans ( forcing him to accelerate his timeline) and he will be happy it's over one way or the other. To an extent I agree. Newhouser, Lolich and Skubal. Best southpaws in Tigers history. And Skubal will be the only one without a ring. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 19 Posted June 19 On 6/17/2026 at 11:59 AM, Tiger337 said: The national "pundits" do not know any more than any of us. The ideas they throw out there might be good discussion points, but almost nothing they say ever happens. Its mostly clickbait. Speculating. Waste of time, they have little actual insider knowledge. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 5 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: I actually think the "Tarik Skubal situation" was a thorn in his side and wrench in his plans ( forcing him to accelerate his timeline) and he will be happy it's over one way or the other. I hope that is not the case. Nothing ever goes according a plan and a good GM needs to have the flexibility to alter his plan when a good opportunity arises. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 19 Posted June 19 5 hours ago, papalawrence said: . And Skubal will be the only one without a ring. ....from the Tigers Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I hope that is not the case. Nothing ever goes according a plan and a good GM needs to have the flexibility to alter his plan when a good opportunity arises. It wasn't like the situation came at him after the fact, Skubal's FA data was known when Harris took the job - it was a constraint - but was something he had to be planning around from day one. Edited June 19 by gehringer_2 Quote
chasfh Posted June 19 Posted June 19 11 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: That’s his own fault though. That's why he might as well stick to his guns and see the plan through he and Chris Ilitch agreed upon, versus zigging and zagging in response to the media and fan pressure of the moment, and accept that no one will be OK with his decisions except possibly the one guy. An ear full of **** is an occupational hazard for him that he should just tune out. I'm still going to give him the chance to spool out his plan. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 31 minutes ago, chasfh said: That's why he might as well stick to his guns and see the plan through he and Chris Ilitch agreed upon, versus zigging and zagging in response to the media and fan pressure of the moment, and accept that no one will be OK with his decisions except possibly the one guy. An ear full of **** is an occupational hazard for him that he should just tune out. I'm still going to give him the chance to spool out his plan. What plan did he and Ilitch agree upon? I agree he should not be swayed by fans and media, but I am not sure if there is a specific plan in a specific time frame. I suspect that they will keep doing what they are doing and that some years will be good and others not as good. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: It wasn't like the situation came at him after the fact, Skubal's FA data was known when Harris took the job - it was a constraint - but was something he had to be planning around from day one. What may have changed is that he might not have anticipated just how dominant Skubal would become. Once it became clear that he was a perennial ace, there was an opportunity to push a little harder to win now and there was also the knowledge that it would be really difficult to keep him. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted June 19 Posted June 19 37 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: What plan did he and Ilitch agree upon? I agree he should not be swayed by fans and media, but I am not sure if there is a specific plan in a specific time frame. I suspect that they will keep doing what they are doing and that some years will be good and others not as good. Here is the plan he and Ilitch agreed upon. https://www.clickondetroit.com/sports/2022/09/20/10-takeaways-from-introductory-press-conference-for-new-detroit-tigers-president-scott-harris/ Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 27 minutes ago, chasfh said: Here is the plan he and Ilitch agreed upon. https://www.clickondetroit.com/sports/2022/09/20/10-takeaways-from-introductory-press-conference-for-new-detroit-tigers-president-scott-harris/ They seem to be doing all that, but I don't think there is any timeline where we can expect the plan to be met. I don't think there is any specific point where we can say they accomplished what they set out to do. It's very fluid. Maybe Clark and Anderson will help next year, but Skubal and Torres and perhaps Mize will be gone. So, I don't know that they'll necessarily be closer to winning a championship. They they might add some more prospects after that but then Greene, Carpenter, Torkelson will be gone. The future is now and at this point I think the plan should be to try to have a contending team every year. Quote
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