2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[Sports_Freak]

14 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Well Enns was dealt to Baltimore, so there’s one free spot.  I assume Jackson and then either Lee or Montero goes to Toledo

Ahhh...I missed that transaction. Was that in the Morton trade? I never saw who we gave up.

[monkeytargets39]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

Ahhh...I missed that transaction. Was that in the Morton trade? I never saw who we gave up.

Yes

[Tiger337]

40 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Batting average, RBI and home runs?

Not allowed in this forum.  🙂

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

I looked at Suarez' hit chart the other day and most of his HRs have been pulled to well to left or fairly far around oppo - it doesn't look like he hits much to where death valley is at COPA, so I agree there wouldn't have been any great park effect for him. I think they didn't go that way just because the team sees more upgrade differential in shoring up the pitching than in the offensive increment between Suarez and who might end up sitting in his place - e.g Keith or Torres.

OK, that i get. But I would question a stat that says Suarez, with his 36 home runs and 87 RBI would be a downgrade. I mean, his defense can't be that bad, can it? It just sounds like sour grapes...."you're not coming here and we didn't want you anyway."

And I see some fans have the opinions that we didn't get enough quality pitchers. But I'll wait to see what production we get out of them. I say we'll be fine.

[Edman85]

Enns was a separate trade. Micah Ashman was traded for Morton and cash. Enns was traded for cash.

[RatkoVarda]

they will cruise to AL Central title, and adding 7 arms will help make sure that happens. Team Harris zigged when other were zagging. I see the real value in what they did.

but the bullpen is not impressive.

they have 3 guys - Vest, Finnegan and Holton - who you can sort of count on and Holton is down from last year. Maybe Melton joins them, but he's a rookie. Maybe all 4 are shoving come late September. Maybe not.

I don't understand the "you can't build for the post-season" crowd; that what all the good GMs in baseball were doing today - building their team up for the post-season.

well, almost all of them.

[Tenacious D]

Our pen got significantly better, adding Melton and Finnegan, marking a big improvement over Kahnle in the 7-9 innings (with Vest).

[sagnam]

6 hours ago, tiger2022 said:

The Angels and Athletics will be tough, especially having to travel to California against the A's.

Pretty good chance I’ll be in the bay area for work the week of the A’s series. Might try to get to Sacramento for a game.

[Dan Gilmore]

It seemed to me that Hinch was pushing Vest more than he would like and with Kahnle slipping that would likely have continued. Holton seems to be more effective than earlier in the year, but isn’t a shutdown pitcher. So, now they can ease the load on those two. And hopefully Sewald is able to help down the stretch and in the playoffs. They’re a better team today than they were yesterday. And they were pretty good yesterday.

[sagnam]

6 hours ago, Toddwert said:

im a fan i just what to get better on the Major league level i dont care how many AA championships we win... its not my job to say its ok Harris you had a bad day but Max Anderson is fun at Erie

 

Im sure you guys thought the JD Martinez and Verlander trades were great

Imagine if the Tigers had traded Skubal as part of a deal years ago for a reliever. Sometimes you need to trust your own scouting and development. Maybe the other teams were focused on prospects the Tigers have high confidence in.

 

i don’t put much stock in the prospect rankings anymore. Good for letting us know who is who in the minor leagues but they are just subjective evaluations.
 

I would prefer they trade minor leaguers for proven MLB talent, but I have no idea how to evaluate or develop young talent. I do know that this leadership has in all likelihood gotten the Tigers into the playoffs in consecutive years. That’s not something I would have expected a couple years ago.

[Cruzer1]

Recently, Eric Longenhagen kind of sheepishly compared McGonigle to Rogers Hornsby. He, Clark and Briceno are still 20 years old. That's fun.

[Cruzer1]

Imagine, 10+ years of Clark, McGonigle, Greene and Tork at the top of the lineup? 

[Hinchman11]

2 hours ago, Jason_R said:

"Some of them are going to get here this year."

i would assume the two asked about the most was Melton and Hao-Yu-Lee who is raking for the Mudhens right now. How’s his defense coming a third? He may be a nice RH bat with position versatility that Hinch loves.
 

I’m excited to see Melton in the pen. You can never have enough pitching. 

 

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

Imagine, 10+ years of Clark, McGonigle, Greene and Tork at the top of the lineup? 

10+ is a long time.  If any of them are stars, they probably won't make it past 6.  Also, Greene and Tork will probably flame out before 10 years.  Go for 5!.  

[RatkoVarda]

49 minutes ago, sagnam said:

Imagine if the Tigers had traded Skubal as part of a deal years ago for a reliever.

but they didn't trade him - maybe they know what they had.

All I know is that Alex Faedo, Matt Manning, Beau Burrows and Joey Wentz are going to round out a dominant starting rotation anchored by Casey Mize! They are going to have to move Wilmer Flores to the bullpen because there is no room!

[papalawrence]

33 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

but they didn't trade him - maybe they know what they had.

All I know is that Alex Faedo, Matt Manning, Beau Burrows and Joey Wentz are going to round out a dominant starting rotation anchored by Casey Mize! They are going to have to move Wilmer Flores to the bullpen because there is no room!

Steve Searcy is their pitching coach

[IdahoBert]

Now that the dust has settled overnight, the take away is that the people running this club really believe in the process they have set in motion, that the successes they’ve gained are not incidental, and that they’re not sacrificing the future for short term gains to please either low information fans or the many existing versions of the sports commentariat whether it be corporate or more casual.

Other teams didn’t want to do the Detroit Tigers any favors, they were prepared for this, and the Tigers didn’t blink. 

[Longgone]

10 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

OK, that i get. But I would question a stat that says Suarez, with his 36 home runs and 87 RBI would be a downgrade. I mean, his defense can't be that bad, can it? It just sounds like sour grapes...."you're not coming here and we didn't want you anyway."

And I see some fans have the opinions that we didn't get enough quality pitchers. But I'll wait to see what production we get out of them. I say we'll be fine.

Sure, he had an historic first half, but what is more likely, he maintains that torrid pace, or reverts to the slump prone, 700ish ops guy hes been for the last five years?

[papalawrence]

11 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Sure, he had an historic first half, but what is more likely, he maintains that torrid pace, or reverts to the slump prone, 700ish ops guy hes been for the last five years?

I agree, and he was in a 1-22 slump in the midst of the Det series. I might have gone as hi as Max Anderson, but not higher. I think odds are he will regress

[papalawrence]

21 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Now that the dust has settled overnight, the take away is that the people running this club really believe in the process they have set in motion, that the successes they’ve gained are not incidental, and that they’re not sacrificing the future for short term gains to please either low information fans or the many existing versions of the sports commentariat whether it be corporate or more casual.

Other teams didn’t want to do the Detroit Tigers any favors, they were prepared for this, and the Tigers didn’t blink. 

I agree - trust Harris and Greenberg. On the Foul Territory podcast last eve, Cody said he spoke with several other gms and he got feedback from multiple people that Harris is difficult to deal with, too hard line. That is probably an area Harris needs to grow into.

[kdog]

24 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Now that the dust has settled overnight, the take away is that the people running this club really believe in the process they have set in motion, that the successes they’ve gained are not incidental, and that they’re not sacrificing the future for short term gains to please either low information fans or the many existing versions of the sports commentariat whether it be corporate or more casual.

Other teams didn’t want to do the Detroit Tigers any favors, they were prepared for this, and the Tigers didn’t blink. 

Yes this is true. At some point, they need to be ruthless and trade one of their core guys to make room for the prospects. Or they need to sign them. If the goal is to be as flexible as possible, you have to make tough choices.

I'm not talking about Skubal..his situation is separate.

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Sure, he had an historic first half, but what is more likely, he maintains that torrid pace, or reverts to the slump prone, 700ish ops guy hes been for the last five years?

Sadly, McKinstry is in the same boat.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, oblong said:

You don’t build a team for the playoffs.  They have a huge division lead. Don’t sacrifice to build on that. If you can’t win the division this year with what you have won to this point then that itself is a reason going “all in” would be a mistake.  One player doesn’t prevent a massive slump. This org and players have been at the highest performance over the last calendar year. They have earned the benefit of the doubt. I have no beef with today.  People get caught upon the adrenaline and breaking news and psychologically feel left out and assume something is wrong.  I like that the org isn’t holding to some idea of a “window” like they did 10 years ago because we had a dying Ilitch and Cabrera and Verlanders careers to worry about.  We don’t have to win now because of Skubal.  Give us a system that contends every year and let the pieces fall where they do.  

As much as I agree with all of this, I would like to have gotten a swing-and-miss strikeout guy at the back of the pen, which we don’t have now. Brock Stewart for Akil Baddoo might have worked, since Akil has more upside than James Outman (I would think?). Maybe Paul Seward will come back next month and be that guy, I don’t know. But it looks like Harris identified a bunch of guys in volume, all of whom do something really well and we think we can patch up the other things they lack in enough to get two-plus months of good to great performance from them. And we kept all of our top prospects, which I think is a very good thing considering, as you say, we are way way ahead in the division and practically assured of a tournament run. If the division were close, especially with the Guards, we might have seen some more aggressive moves.

It could be argued that we are prospect hoarding the way the Orioles did last year, and they came into the season as a favorite for the pennant (on par with the Tigers), and look how that’s gone. So it remains to be seen how that will transpire over the next year or two.

In the end, I think this is about building a sustainable winner, our lack of progress toward this being something a lot of us (especially me) had been whining about during the last several years of the Avila Reign of Error. There will always be All-In Guys among us and we’re going to hear from them, and you know what? That’s great. That’s entertaining. Philosophical conformity is boring. So let’s argue about this some more. 😁

[kdog]

Just now, chasfh said:

As much as I agree with all of this, I would like to have gotten a swing-and-miss strikeout guy at the back of the pen, which we don’t have now. Brock Stewart for Akil Baddoo might have worked, since Akil has more upside than James Outman (I would think?). Maybe Paul Seward will come back next month and be that guy, I don’t know. But it looks like Harris identified a bunch of guys in volume, all of whom do something really well and we think we can patch up the other things they lack in enough to get two-plus months of good to great performance from them. And we kept all of our top prospects, which I think is a very good thing considering, as you say, we are way way ahead in the division and practically assured of a tournament run. If the division were close, especially with the Guards, we might have seen some more aggressive moves.

It could be argued that we are prospect hoarding the way the Orioles did last year, and they came into the season as a favorite for the pennant (on par with the Tigers), and look how that’s gone. So it remains to be seen how that will transpire over the next year or two.

In the end, I think this is about building a sustainable winner, our lack of progress toward this being something a lot of us (especially me) had been whining about during the last several years of the Avila Reign of Error. There will always be All-In Guys among us and we’re going to hear from them, and you know what? That’s great. That’s entertaining. Philosophical conformity is boring. So let’s argue about this some more. 😁

DBacks and Orioles are examples of well intentioned front offices who had this same objective and crap happened.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

The Tigers have the least production out of 3rd base in all of ML baseball.

Also, we have 28 road games away from Comerica remaining. Plus the playoffs.

Both Fangraphs and Reference say we are middle of the pack at third base. What are you seeing that says different?

Edited 9 hours ago by chasfh