8/1/25 6:45PM Tigers @ Phillies

[Tigeraholic1]

Citizen Bank Park - Philadelphia, PA

Listen: 97.1 The Ticket

Watch: FanDuel Det

Game Time Forecast: 74 Cloudy

Starters:

RHP Jack Flaherty

LHP Ranger Suarez

 

[IdahoBert]

This three-game series is going to be tough. The three starting pitchers for Philadelphia the Tigers are facing are really good and used to going deep into games.

And even though the White Sox just now took a series from the Phillies in Chicago, at home the Phillies have one of the very best records in baseball. The Tigers really have their work cut out for them here. 

[chasfh]

[CaliforniaDreaming]

Will Win

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

This three-game series is going to be tough. The three starting pitchers for Philadelphia the Tigers are facing are really good and used to going deep into games.

And even though the White Sox just now took a series from the Phillies in Chicago, at home the Phillies have one of the very best records in baseball. The Tigers really have their work cut out for them here. 

I smell a Tigers sweep 

[kdog]

Starting today, the goal is to get a bye in the wild card round, and make sure that Skubal is rested and healthy for game 1 of the playoffs.

 

[GalagaGuy]

All three of the pitchers for the Phillies have an ERA of 2 point something.   Could be a very long weekend for the Tigers and their fans.  

[romad1]

3 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

This three-game series is going to be tough. The three starting pitchers for Philadelphia the Tigers are facing are really good and used to going deep into games.

And even though the White Sox just now took a series from the Phillies in Chicago, at home the Phillies have one of the very best records in baseball. The Tigers really have their work cut out for them here. 

I absolutely destroyed the Phillies in my MLB The Show play of this series.  Their stadium is a 1/8 sized model of a phone booth. 

 

[tiger2022]

Suarez is no joke.  Dude is a top guy in the league.

[IdahoBert]

47 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

Suarez is no joke.  Dude is a top guy in the league.

He missed the first month of the season due to lower back strain so it’s too bad we didn’t try to trade for him. He would’ve fit in really well.

[IdahoBert]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

We are living through the footballization of all sports programming. Everything is being reduced to Cub Scout virility rites re-imagined as combat between “real men,” and an appreciation for the graceful nuances of the game are trivialized to base spectacles because that’s what “the public” wants, allegedly. 

[IdahoBert]

As an interesting aside the film maker David Lynch spent a good part of his early 20s in Philadelphia and had this to say about it: 

“Yes, Philadelphia is horrible, but in a very interesting way. There were places there that had been allowed to decay, where there was so much fear and crime that just for a moment there was an opening to another world. It was fear, but it was so strong, and so magical, like a magnet, that your imagination was always sparking in Philadelphia. I just have to think of Philadelphia now, and I get ideas, I hear the wind, and I'm off into the darkness somewhere.” — David Lynch

[romad1]

9 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

As an interesting aside the film maker David Lynch spent a good part of his early 20s in Philadelphia and had this to say about it: 

“Yes, Philadelphia is horrible, but in a very interesting way. There were places there that had been allowed to decay, where there was so much fear and crime that just for a moment there was an opening to another world. It was fear, but it was so strong, and so magical, like a magnet, that your imagination was always sparking in Philadelphia. I just have to think of Philadelphia now, and I get ideas, I hear the wind, and I'm off into the darkness somewhere.” — David Lynch

No good art was ever made in paradise. 

[IdahoBert]

31 minutes ago, romad1 said:

No good art was ever made in paradise. 

Lynch spent the most formative years of his childhood in Boise where I now live between 1955 and 1960. I sometimes take a walk past his old house just for the fun of it and imagine what it was like when he set off a pipe bomb in the city pool across the street and how he’d roam around with his friends in the foothills and nearly drown in the canals that crisscross much of Boise. He talks about it in the HBO documentary “the art life.“ 

[tiger2022]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

As an interesting aside the film maker David Lynch spent a good part of his early 20s in Philadelphia and had this to say about it: 

“Yes, Philadelphia is horrible, but in a very interesting way. There were places there that had been allowed to decay, where there was so much fear and crime that just for a moment there was an opening to another world. It was fear, but it was so strong, and so magical, like a magnet, that your imagination was always sparking in Philadelphia. I just have to think of Philadelphia now, and I get ideas, I hear the wind, and I'm off into the darkness somewhere.” — David Lynch

So basically a bigger version of Detroit?

[IdahoBert]

38 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

So basically a bigger version of Detroit?

Minus the music traditions, and the cars, and countless other things, and whereas there is a South Philly, there is no South Detroit. 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

No good art was ever made in paradise. 

 

[tiger2022]

50 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Minus the music traditions, and the cars, and countless other things, and whereas there is a South Philly, there is no South Detroit. 

Philly has a huge music tradition.

Detroit is the poster child for urban decay and is known for its violent crimes.

[Longgone]

21 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

Philly has a huge music tradition.

Detroit is the poster child for urban decay and is known for its violent crimes.

Sure, fifty years ago.

[1776]

42 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

Philly has a huge music tradition.

Detroit is the poster child for urban decay and is known for its violent crimes.

The link below is specific to the year 2023. It is specific to deaths recorded as murders. This information is recorded by individual counties, not cities.

Philly recorded a higher number of deaths than did Detroit in 2023.

Interesting link:

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/
 

Not being a Detroit or Michigan native, it has been my impression that Detroit has rebounded considerably from the 2008-2009 financial crisis. 

We now return you to your regular game day thread discussion. 

Edited 16 hours ago by 1776

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The link below is specific to the year 2023. It is specific to deaths recorded as murders. This information is recorded by individual counties, not cities.

Philly recorded a higher number of deaths than did Detroit in 2023.

Interesting link:

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/
 

Not being a Detroit or Michigan native, it has been my impression that Detroit has rebounded considerably from the 2008-2009 financial crisis. 

 

Murder rates tend to follow high poverty census tracts. In good income areas of the US, murder rates tend to be extremely low, meaning <3/100K, in high poverty area they can reach 40/100K. Detroit, because of the depth of the middle class exodus after 1970, had the unfortunate fate of being a city that became almost uniformly poor, so the net numbers for the city really represented the very high percentage of high poverty census tracts as proportion of the total. e.g, Murder on the South Side of Chicago was always as bad as the rough parts of Detroit but Chicago still had a lot of non-poverty areas to balance out the city wide totals. The drop in Detroit's numbers just reflects economic recovery in more parts of the city now. Employment solves a huge number of other problems.

Edited 16 hours ago by gehringer_2

[tiger2022]

Number of crimes is a terrible way to measure crime.  Philly also has like 4x as many people as Detroit.

https://getsafeandsound.com/blog/most-dangerous-city-in-america/

Here is a random site that has Detroit 5th.

https://freedomforallamericans.org/highest-murders-in-us-by-city/

And this random site has Detroit with the 4th highest homicide rate. Philly is 12th.

Not that I would feel safe walking around aimlessly in either city.  They are both very dangerous cities, especially if you go to certain areas of the town.

You really shouldn't go wandering around any big cities unless you know the area.  

Edited 16 hours ago by tiger2022

[tiger2022]

33 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Sure, fifty years ago.

Sure.  That's why there is like 100k abandoned homes in the city, even with them tearing thousands of them down before they had the Super Bowl a few years back.

No urban decay there.  

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, tiger2022 said:

Number of crimes is a terrible way to measure crime.  Philly also has like 4x as many people as Detroit.

 

 

Agree. Another odd one in Detroit historically was that auto theft was counted as a major crime in the FBI surveys and because of peculiarities in the auto insurance and auto parts markets in  SE MI, it was an unusually lucrative place to steal cars. Not that car theft isn't crime, but it is generally about the least violent major crime in the FBIs survey (car-jacking excluded of course)

[IdahoBert]

Getting back to baseball <cough, cough> both the MLB site and this game thread are saying the game begins at 6:45 PM but the FanDuel schedule tells me it begins at 7 PM.

Is Philadelphia celebrating “Safe Streets Night” or something before the game and that’s the reason for this disparity?