2025 Detroit Tigers Magic Number Thread

[Edman85]

39 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

It's a bit confusing when there are multiple teams involved. A combination of 17 Tiger wins and Houston losses gets us a 1st round bye? Right now Toronto is 1/2 game ahead of us and they have the tiebreaker. So they're a game and half up. The division seems pretty safe, but yeah, having a bye and home field advantage would be nice. At least for the ALDS.

Yeah, it does... A combo of 17 with the Astros does get a bye, but the Mariners or Rangers could pass them.

[chasfh]

The Tigers have won 81 and the Royals have lost 69, so the magic number to win the division outright is still 13.

[Sports_Freak]

20 hours ago, Edman85 said:

 

Home Field	23
Bye	17
Division	12
Playoff Spot	12

 

So Seattle and Houston lost last night. Even with our loss, isn't the bye or Home Field magic number down?

[oblong]

10 hours ago, chasfh said:

The Tigers have won 81 and the Royals have lost 69, so the magic number to win the division outright is still 13.

I still don’t understood this. What is the magic number for the Tigers to be declared and to enter the playoffs as the AL Central division champions?  

[The Ronz]

I don't know.

It appears to be a computation based on an opinion or is that an opinion based on a computation? 🤪

[CMU97]

I don't know if this is right, or a day late, but our old friend deserves to get an apperance.

[gehringer_2]

57 minutes ago, CMU97 said:

I don't know if this is right, or a day late, but our old friend deserves to get an apperance.

Your in the neighbourhood - that's close enough.

[oblong]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Your in the neighbourhood - that's close enough.

I hear it’s a nice area 

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

I still don’t understood this. What is the magic number for the Tigers to be declared and to enter the playoffs as the AL Central division champions?  

12.  

What Chas is giving you is the magic number for winning the division without a tie breaker.  

Edited yesterday at 02:17 AM by Tiger337

[Biff Mayhem]

2 hours ago, CMU97 said:

I don't know if this is right, or a day late, but our old friend deserves to get an apperance.

Nicest man I ever met. 

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, The Ronz said:

I don't know.

It appears to be a computation based on an opinion or is that an opinion based on a computation? 🤪

No opinion involved. To win the division outright, the magic number is the (number of games in a season plus one) minus [(number of wins first place team has) plus (number of losses second place team has)]. In our case, it’s 163 - (82+69), which equals …

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, Biff Mayhem said:

Nicest man I ever met. 

He was one of my coaches for one of the Tigers fantasy camps I was at in the late 2000s, and he was a very, very good guy. He was engaged, personable, and always available for a chat.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

No opinion involved. To win the division outright, the magic number is the (number of games in a season plus one) minus [(number of wins first place team has) plus (number of losses second place team has)]. In our case, it’s 163 - (82+69), which equals …

That's the way we used to do it in the 70s and if it was good enough for us, then it's good enough for you.  

[Edman85]

Home Field	21
Bye	16
Division	11
Playoff Spot	11

 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

No opinion involved. To win the division outright, the magic number is the (number of games in a season plus one) minus [(number of wins first place team has) plus (number of losses second place team has)]. In our case, it’s 163 - (82+69), which equals …

But I am not following the point of the distinction. In either scenario they are the AL Central champs and having nothing else to accomplish after 11 wins. Nobody will refer to them as the “outright” champions or anything but the champions if they happen to have the same record. They have earned the title by the basis of the rules in both scenarios.   

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

But I am not following the point of the distinction. In either scenario they are the AL Central champs and having nothing else to accomplish after 11 wins. Nobody will refer to them as the “outright” champions or anything but the champions if they happen to have the same record. They have earned the title by the basis of the rules in both scenarios.   

While I don't disagree with you in principle, I personally still value outright division titles and would not consider a team with a tie for the best record and the tiebreaker advantage as having won the division title, irrespective of whether that's considered rational anymore.

In any event, as Lee says, I'm an old ****, applying the magic number to an outright league or division title is the way I learned it was done, this is the way I like to do it, and this is how I am going to continue to do it.

In the meantime, enjoy another picture of a Detroit Tiger wearing this morning's magic number.

Edited yesterday at 05:01 PM by chasfh

[Edman85]

Today's magic number is actually Sparky

[chasfh]

I posted Dirks because he is connected to this year's team.

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I posted Dirks because he is connected to this year's team.

Nobody associated with this year's team is the magic number because it was retired with Sparky.

[The Ronz]

[Motor City Sonics]

1 minute ago, The Ronz said:

Thank you Twins for slowing down the Tigers collapse.          

 

The reason I find this so frustrating, how bad this team is right now is that they had a great first half and had plenty of pixie dust sprinkled all over McKinstry, Baez and Mize.  The time to strike was NOW.    The Twins of 2021 or Orioles of 2023 probably thought they had long runs of winning wrapped up and look a them now.   Doing next to nothing at the trade deadline was pure incompetence.   No guarantee they repeat the first half of this year.       They puckered up their ass cheeks and barely did anything.  Trading for projects and injured guys that might not even play this year.   Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.  Now they're one of the bottom third teams in baseball.   

♫We asked for Mojo Nixon.  They said "well, he don't work here".  We said 'you don't got Mojo Nixon then your store could use some fixin'.    We got into her car, away we started rollin'  I asked 'how much you pay for this?'  She said 'Nothin', man it's stolen.  Punk Rock Girl, you look so wild, let's have a child, we'll name her Minnie Pearl.  Just you and me, eating fudge-banana swirl, just you and me, yeah, we'll drive around the world, just you and me, Punk Rock Girl♫

[Tenacious D]

We were spoiled and perhaps deluded with the first 100 games.  And it was fun. But this is a very young team and these guys are still developing. Whatever happens this season is a bonus. Next season is when we should push our chips in.  I’ll be disappointed if we don’t approach the roster creation that way this offseason.

[Biff Mayhem]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

He was one of my coaches for one of the Tigers fantasy camps I was at in the late 2000s, and he was a very, very good guy. He was engaged, personable, and always available for a chat.

I remember you sharing that. I also remember @oblong sharing a story where Jim let him try on his WS ring. 

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

We were spoiled and perhaps deluded with the first 100 games.  And it was fun. But this is a very young team and these guys are still developing. Whatever happens this season is a bonus. Next season is when we should push our chips in.  I’ll be disappointed if we don’t approach the roster creation that way this offseason.

They need to rebuild pitching depth. Too many guys either hurt - Brieske, Gunether, Olson, Jobe, Foley, Lange , Madden, or pitching like the DL is their likely next stop - Hurter, Flaherty. The extra starting depth we thought we had at the end of 23/24 (Manning, Wentz, Faedo) has evaporated to thin air. The pitching staff is last year's Lion defense.

Edited 18 hours ago by gehringer_2

[papalawrence]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

They need to rebuild pitching depth. Too many guys either hurt - Brieske, Gunether, Olson, Jobe, Foley, Lange , Madden, or pitching like the DL is their likely next stop - Hurter, Flaherty. The extra starting depth we thought we had at the end of 23/24 (Manning, Wentz, Faedo) has evaporated to thin air. The pitching staff is last year's Lion defense.

I think most teams are in a similar place. Hard to believe, but home field is still there for the taking. 

Can you imagine how thin pitching staffs will be post expansion?