oblong Posted October 13 Posted October 13 17 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: So...what part of history do you prefer? Scott Harris made outstanding trades that turned us into a playoff team? Or he made screwd free agents signing that got us over the top? Whatever, he didn't do enough, obviously. You were not in the room or on the phone calls or privy to any of the negotiations. You fail to grasp that moves in baseball require the consent of two parties to agree. This isn’t a video game. “He didn’t do what I imagined in my head he could do” is not a valid criticism 1 2 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 13 Posted October 13 32 minutes ago, oblong said: You were not in the room or on the phone calls or privy to any of the negotiations. You fail to grasp that moves in baseball require the consent of two parties to agree. This isn’t a video game. “He didn’t do what I imagined in my head he could do” is not a valid criticism I thought everyone knew the Tigers had an offer out to Bregman. He signed with Boston. Either Harris was given a chance to match Bostons offer or Boras just used the Tigers offer to get a better deal. Thus...Harris was either played or he was the victim of a very unethical agent. Either way, he should have given Boras a deadline to accept so he could move on to finding another 3rd baseman. But I get it, some people are happy with Harris. I'm just looking at it without rose colored glasses. Harris is flawed. 1 Quote
TcFlint Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Do you get more for Skubal this winter or at the trade deadline? We all know the answer to this. Skubal is doing what he has to do and the Tigers need to do the same. Trade him this winter for a #2 starter, 3B, and top 10 prospect. The Tigers have multiple holes. Absolutely no way Tigers pay $40 million a year or that Skubal accepts $1 less than $40 million Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I thought everyone knew the Tigers had an offer out to Bregman. He signed with Boston. Either Harris was given a chance to match Bostons offer or Boras just used the Tigers offer to get a better deal. Thus...Harris was either played or he was the victim of a very unethical agent. Either way, he should have given Boras a deadline to accept so he could move on to finding another 3rd baseman. But I get it, some people are happy with Harris. I'm just looking at it without rose colored glasses. Harris is flawed. Or maybe, the Tigers had a fair chance to get Bregman, but Bregman decided to go with the Red Sox offer. There was one report which said that Bregman would have taken the Tigers 6 year offer if there was an option after one year, but Harris wanted it to be two years. Quote
holygoat Posted October 13 Posted October 13 3 hours ago, Edman85 said: Don't trade Skubal unless the season starts looking bleak. Then shop him at the deadline and see if you can beat the comp pick. It is possible the Tigers move back to revenue sharing payer status, which would mean a pick after the second round instead of after the first. I think you have to trade him before training camp if he doesn't sign before then, because A) you risk him getting injured before the deadline, and B) you have a larger pool of suiters in the off season. The longer you wait, the less you're likely to receive in return for him. 3 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted October 13 Posted October 13 If Harris does not believe in windows you have to trade Skubul if you get an excellent return and the players are near major league ready. That's why I like Painter-Miller and Johan Duran. We get a closer and potentially a shortstop and pitcher for multiple years. Then use Skubul $$ to plug multiple holes . Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 13 Posted October 13 3 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: If Harris does not believe in windows you have to trade Skubul if you get an excellent return and the players are near major league ready. That's why I like Painter-Miller and Johan Duran. We get a closer and potentially a shortstop and pitcher for multiple years. Then use Skubul $$ to plug multiple holes . I'm ATF, and I approve of this message! (Although they are going for it so they won't give up their closer...... so give us Justin Crawford instead) 1 Quote
Nate7474 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 13 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: If Harris does not believe in windows you have to trade Skubul if you get an excellent return and the players are near major league ready. That's why I like Painter-Miller and Johan Duran. We get a closer and potentially a shortstop and pitcher for multiple years. Then use Skubul $$ to plug multiple holes . Looking at the Corbin Burnes trade with one year remaining I’m not sure you get anywhere near that return unless Skubal is willing to sign an extension. I don’t think he and his agent will allow for that and want to go thru free agency. 2 Quote
HeyAbbott Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) I am in the camp of not actively shopping Skubal before the deadline,but I would certainly listen to offers and do some negotiating if approached about Skubal availability. I am in no way signing him to a long term contract with Detroit. The resources could be used in other places for more impact. Paying pitchers is like bidding on the China used in some plate juggling act . Edited October 13 by HeyAbbott Quote
Edman85 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, holygoat said: I think you have to trade him before training camp if he doesn't sign before then, because A) you risk him getting injured before the deadline, and B) you have a larger pool of suiters in the off season. The longer you wait, the less you're likely to receive in return for him. You have to hang onto him because you just made the playoffs and are in position to contend next year. Trading Skubal right now would be lunacy. If he gets hurt, you can sign him at a discount. Edited October 13 by Edman85 2 Quote
romad1 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I don't know if this would actually make a difference in the bottom line but if the Tigers want to sell season ticket and luxury boxes, signing Skubal early this offseason would be a good way to do that. Then go get that RH bat we need. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 13 Posted October 13 26 minutes ago, romad1 said: I don't know if this would actually make a difference in the bottom line but if the Tigers want to sell season ticket and luxury boxes, signing Skubal early this offseason would be a good way to do that. Then go get that RH bat we need. And trading Skubal, coming off consecutive postseason appearances. (and series wins) would do the exact opposite of that. Quote
Jimbo Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Is there even an offer that Skubal would take at this point or does he want to go to become a FA regardless? I keep on hearing the 10 year 40 mil contract. Is that something that is known that he wants or just rumors? That is the biggest question in my opinion because if he is asking for something he will never get even in 2027 then he just wants to become a FA so he can pick whatever high market team wants him. If that is the case then I don't think the offers are worth the best pitcher in baseball and we keep him for the year or the trade deadline (if were not a potential playoff team by mid season). If he is asking for something now that is a little less than he can get in 2027, we probably could get an unbelievable trade. What I mean by this is a high market team would be willing to offer us a trade if its more than a 1 year rental. This is where you hope teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, .....etc will be willing to give up a lot to get him this year and beyond and you use them against each other to get the best offer. Non of this matters if Skubal just wants to be a FA. From Skubal's point of view, you have to think he is gambling some if he's not willing to take the best starting pitcher contract ever this year but is greedy and wants more the next year. Quote
holygoat Posted October 13 Posted October 13 6 minutes ago, Jimbo said: Is there even an offer that Skubal would take at this point or does he want to go to become a FA regardless? No one here knows the answer to that question. I think the majority here is in the camp that that would prefer if the Tigers can sign Skubal long term during the off season. The disagreement is in what the team should do in the event that they can't. Quote
holygoat Posted October 13 Posted October 13 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: You have to hang onto him because you just made the playoffs and are in position to contend next year. Trading Skubal right now would be lunacy. If he gets hurt, you can sign him at a discount. The contention that trading Skubal -- and the opportunities that doing so opens up -- necessarily remove the Tigers from 2026 playoff contention is what I disagree with. Stating it as fact. I disagree with that. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 13 Posted October 13 How does this work, league rules-wise? If the Phillies make a Godfather offer... contingent on Boras/Skubal open to negotiating an extension, or even signing one... Do the Tigers have to give the Phillies permission to discuss a contract with Boras? Does the league? Most teams adamantly say no. But I think it would be foolish for the Tigers to do that. Because if the Phillies were allowed to do that with Skubal, and came to an agreement on a contract extension (10 years, $40 mill AAV); then they may very well be perfectly fine sending us a Painter/Miller/Crawford package. Does that "ONLY" take the Tigers' permission to negotiate? Quote
Hongbit Posted October 13 Posted October 13 On 10/11/2025 at 8:51 PM, SeattleMike said: I don’t think the Tigers are punting on the 2026 season, and I doubt they would receive a return that would make them better in 2026. So I don’t expect a trade. I don’t know. It will come down to how strong the deals they get offered this Winter. This front office has shown they are very committed to building an organization that can consistently win year in and year out. Passing up a move that could have a major impact for many years in order to make a run for one season doesnt seem like Harris MO. 1 Quote
oblong Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Skubal will not sign a contract before becoming a FA. Any negotiations with the Tigers will be, by definition, non competitive. He's talked about his responsibility as a player. He's going to be a FA. Quote
Hongbit Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 11 minutes ago, oblong said: Skubal will not sign a contract before becoming a FA. Any negotiations with the Tigers will be, by definition, non competitive. He's talked about his responsibility as a player. He's going to be a FA. I tend to agree. I also wonder what would happen if they offered 10/$500. They would never overpay this much. That would be a ridiculous number and almost double the next closest full time pitcher’s AAV but even Boras would have to say yes to that. I shouldn’t say never about an overpay. I believe (or maybe hope) that after his mom passes, the family will look to sell the teams. What Skubal’s deal looks like in 2034 and 2035 can be someone else’s problem to deal with. Edited October 13 by Hongbit Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 17 minutes ago, holygoat said: The contention that trading Skubal -- and the opportunities that doing so opens up -- necessarily remove the Tigers from 2026 playoff contention is what I disagree with. Stating it as fact. I disagree with that. Nothing is ever 100%, but I think If they trade Skubal, it is most likely going to be for prospects rather than players that will help in 2026. That is why trading Skubal would probably remove them from contention in 2026. Any team that would trade for one year of Skubal is going to be all in to win in 2026 and probably isn't going to give up players who will help the Tigers next year. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Nothing is ever 100%, but I think If they trade Skubal, it is most likely going to be for prospects rather than players that will help in 2026. That is why trading Skubal would probably remove them from contention in 2026. Any team that would trade for one year of Skubal is going to be all in to win in 2026 and probably isn't going to give up players who will help the Tigers next year. I don't think this is necessarily true. Austin Jackson was 5 WAR player for the Tigers in 2010, he probably wasn't going to play for the 96 win Yankee team that year. As always, it's a matter of choosing wisely! the same might be true for Aiden Miller since the Phillies have Trea Turner in place. While I agree that competitive playoff teams are least likely to want to part with current productive players, they are also the most likely to have blocked MLB ready players. Edited October 13 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
romad1 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, 4hzglory said: And trading Skubal, coming off consecutive postseason appearances. (and series wins) would do the exact opposite of that. This is where Chris Illitch could be remembered as fondly as his father. I'm sure there are some Illitch kids who only want money and the city of Detroit is just a damnable thing their Dad or Granddad wanted to help in some vague way that only extended to surface parking. But, the Ford family is getting a LOT of traction from Michigan Central station and the Gilbert name is being put up there for all his works in the city. Sign Skubal, get that bat...and lets not remember you as the "Gristle Tigs" Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, romad1 said: This is where Chris Illitch could be remembered as fondly as his father. I'm sure there are some Illitch kids who only want money and the city of Detroit is just a damnable thing their Dad or Granddad wanted to help in some vague way that only extended to surface parking. But, the Ford family is getting a LOT of traction from Michigan Central station and the Gilbert name is being put up there for all his works in the city. Sign Skubal, get that bat...and lets not remember you as the "Gristle Tigs" We don't know the details of the Trust agreement, but typically the managing Trustee has a lot of control in terms of Chris being able to tell his siblings to shut-up and just cash their checks for a long as he lives. But I think the big unknown for both the Tiger and Lions is the remaining presence of the Matriarch. To me the wild card possibilities are around that impending passing forcing/triggering some major re-arrangement. Edited October 13 by gehringer_2 Quote
Edman85 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 56 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: How does this work, league rules-wise? If the Phillies make a Godfather offer... contingent on Boras/Skubal open to negotiating an extension, or even signing one... Do the Tigers have to give the Phillies permission to discuss a contract with Boras? Does the league? Most teams adamantly say no. But I think it would be foolish for the Tigers to do that. Because if the Phillies were allowed to do that with Skubal, and came to an agreement on a contract extension (10 years, $40 mill AAV); then they may very well be perfectly fine sending us a Painter/Miller/Crawford package. Does that "ONLY" take the Tigers' permission to negotiate? There's no sign-and-trades in MLB. The team with the player has exclusive negotiating rights until five days after the World Series of the final year of their contract ends. There might be the occasional trade where there is a window the receiving team can work out a deal. I feel like that happened with Mookie Betts; it may have with Giancarlo Stanton. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, Edman85 said: There's no sign-and-trades in MLB. ... I don't mean a sign and trade. I mean "come to an informal agreement". If Boras/ Skubal agree to "parameters", then concluding the contract can occur shortly after the trade when the negotation is completed. Quote
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