Tiger337 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Just now, gehringer_2 said: In the end whether they call it a cap, or call it revenue sharing which in most ways amounts to the same thing. it's inevitable. It's the only way to create stability. Is there instabilty in MLB compared to other leagues? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Is there instabilty in MLB compared to other leagues? Instability was maybe the wrong word - but the there is something just wrong with the relative conditions of the franchises across the league - inconsistency is the wrong word because it refers to outcomes - but yeah - there is a basic structural instability inherent in having a league of such unequal partners. If it takes a long strike for it to get fixed maybe we can take that as the proof. Edited June 13 by gehringer_2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Instability was maybe the wrong word - but the there is something just wrong with the relative conditions of the franchises across the league - inconsistency is the wrong word because it refers to outcomes - but yeah - there is a basic structural instability inherent in having a league of such unequal partners. If it takes a long strike for it to get fixed maybe we can take that as the proof. But it seems that the correlation between payroll and performance is not so strong that a low payroll team can not have success. Teams like the Rays, Guardians and Brewers do consistently well without large payrolls. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 14 Posted June 14 31 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: But it seems that the correlation between payroll and performance is not so strong that a low payroll team can not have success. Teams like the Rays, Guardians and Brewers do consistently well without large payrolls. Teams that are run very well. On the other end, you have teams like the Mets who spend freely and stink. But bringing up players and watching them turn into stars that fans start to love and then having to trade them because of salary limitations is the bigger issues. Yes, All Star games are full of good young talent that's mostly under team control for a few years but fans are the backbone of the sport. And when fans grow disinterested because of their favorite players moving on, it makes the game less attractive to advertisers. Which is where the money is at. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Teams that are run very well. On the other end, you have teams like the Mets who spend freely and stink. But bringing up players and watching them turn into stars that fans start to love and then having to trade them because of salary limitations is the bigger issues. Yes, All Star games are full of good young talent that's mostly under team control for a few years but fans are the backbone of the sport. And when fans grow disinterested because of their favorite players moving on, it makes the game less attractive to advertisers. Which is where the money is at. Gambling will "fix" that. 1 Quote
diaspora04 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Gambling will "fix" that. Well played Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 14 Posted June 14 9 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Too bad the strike/lock out wasn't this year Baseball executives know for a fact that fans lose interest if there's an extended strike or lockout. Didn't they liven up the ball for Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire to have Home Run Derby in the regular season to draw fans back to the game? Make it more "exciting?" 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: Baseball executives know for a fact that fans lose interest if there's an extended strike or lockout. Didn't they liven up the ball for Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire to have Home Run Derby in the regular season to draw fans back to the game? Make it more "exciting?" yes and I think they kept it that way. People acted like the increased home runs were entirely due to PEDs, but I think a lot of it was juiced balls. Everybody started hitting more home runs,not just the big guys. I think the ball is permamently juiced now. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 14 Posted June 14 10 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: yes and I think they kept it that way. People acted like the increased home runs were entirely due to PEDs, but I think a lot of it was juiced balls. Everybody started hitting more home runs,not just the big guys. I think the ball is permamently juiced now. Apparently not as much. Judge has hit a lot but he's just really, really good. But nobody is hitting them like Mark and Sammy were. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Apparently not as much. Judge has hit a lot but he's just really, really good. But nobody is hitting them like Mark and Sammy were. But the overall home run rate in baseball is still the same now as the period after 1994. Edited June 14 by Tiger337 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: But the overall home run rate in baseball is still the same now as the period after 1994. so if in the roid era the distribution of who hit home runs was skewed where basically the roided guys hit more and the other guys didn't, and to day we have the same number of HR but no (at least it is assumed) PED enhanced players, I would agree that exactly argues the ball is livelier. I guess to be fair you do have to look at how new ballparks affect things also. We've have parks built that are both friendlier to HR (new Yankee Stadium) and less friendly (CoPa) but I haven't a clue what the overall net effect of all the new parks is - you'd have to try to normalized that out of the conclusion on the ball. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: But the overall home run rate in baseball is still the same now as the period after 1994. Even with guys like Mark and Sammy, you also had A LOT of those infielder/center fielder types who would hit 0-5 homeruns a year and get 600+ ABs. So that’s probably what evens it out. The Roger Cedeno/Rey Sanchez/Neifi Perez/Juan Pierre types Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 14 Posted June 14 58 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: Even with guys like Mark and Sammy, you also had A LOT of those infielder/center fielder types who would hit 0-5 homeruns a year and get 600+ ABs. So that’s probably what evens it out. The Roger Cedeno/Rey Sanchez/Neifi Perez/Juan Pierre types Ah Neifi Perez - back when we had a REAL GM that knew how to make landscape altering deals unlike this Harris character we're stuck with now. I knew when Neifi was brought in the other teams might as well strike their colors!! Quote
chasfh Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Old friend Willi went 4-for-6 leading off for the Rockies today, with two bombs and seven ribs. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Old friend Willi went 4-for-6 leading off for the Rockies today, with two bombs and seven ribs. Rockies have him back playing mostly IF, even SS. Makes perfect sense a 375 team has Willi playing SS and 2B. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 42 minutes ago, chasfh said: Old friend Willi went 4-for-6 leading off for the Rockies today, with two bombs and seven ribs. Harris should of kept him. Quote
casimir Posted June 14 Posted June 14 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: should of Please apostrophize next time. Quote
chasfh Posted June 15 Posted June 15 14 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Harris should of kept him. I set 'em up, you knock 'em out! Quote
chasfh Posted June 15 Posted June 15 14 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Rockies have him back playing mostly IF, even SS. Makes perfect sense a 375 team has Willi playing SS and 2B. A .408 team, though ... 😉 Quote
IdahoBert Posted June 15 Posted June 15 I remember when our Jose Iglesias hit a 450 foot home run I started to wonder about juiced balls. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Tigers need more of this clutchness thing. https://www.theringer.com/2026/06/15/mlb/have-the-milwaukee-brewers-cracked-the-clutchness-code-brice-turang-christian-yelich "For seven straight seasons starting in 2020—a stretch during which the Brewers have missed the playoffs only once, by one game in 2022—Milwaukee has outhit the league with runners in scoring position. That’s not quite a record for length: The 1915-22 Brooklyn Robins (the future Dodgers), 1958-65 Yankees, and 2008-15 Phillies did it eight years in a row. But those teams surpassed the league by small margins in most seasons, whereas the Brewers have routinely blown the league away" Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NorthWoods said: Tigers need more of this clutchness thing. https://www.theringer.com/2026/06/15/mlb/have-the-milwaukee-brewers-cracked-the-clutchness-code-brice-turang-christian-yelich "For seven straight seasons starting in 2020—a stretch during which the Brewers have missed the playoffs only once, by one game in 2022—Milwaukee has outhit the league with runners in scoring position. That’s not quite a record for length: The 1915-22 Brooklyn Robins (the future Dodgers), 1958-65 Yankees, and 2008-15 Phillies did it eight years in a row. But those teams surpassed the league by small margins in most seasons, whereas the Brewers have routinely blown the league away" They are clutch, but...If they hit in the non-clutch situations as well as they do in clutch situations, there would be more runners in scoring position and more runs scored. So, the Brewers need to work on their non-clutch skills. 😉 Edited June 15 by Tiger337 Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Harris never could have made this trade...... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2026/06/royals-acquire-connor-seabold.html Quote
IdahoBert Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Watched the beginning of the June 18 game of Toronto at Boston with Sonny Gray pitching and Vlad Guerrero Jr., who had not homered in 23 games, knocked the first pitch over the Green Monster. Only his 4th of the season. I didn’t realize that the home run celebration for the Blue Jays was placing a navy blue sports coat, known as the "home run jacket," over the hitter's shoulders in the dugout. It is decorated with tons of emblems. Kind of cool. And the fact that Vlad is struggling like this just underlines and puts into perspective, perhaps, the struggles our guys go through, and that we think are somehow unique. This is a hard ass game for everybody. 1 Quote
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