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6 hours ago, 4hzglory said:

Rookie eligibility isn’t what is currently holding him down.  His lack of tearing up triple A is. He has to show he can come out of his May long slump (which I believe he will) before it’s worth even considering bringing him up.  
 

At this point they’d be bringing him up, just to bring him up, while he’s been in a relative slump for a month.  That’s setting him up for failure.

I agree for now, I was commenting on the hypothetical.

Posted
8 hours ago, NorthWoods said:

I understand the logic of it, but if I were Clark and feeling that was holding me down I'd hate it.  

If he’s as levelheaded a kid as the beat writers are always writing he is, he gets it.

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54 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If he’s as levelheaded a kid as the beat writers are always writing he is, he gets it.

I'm sure he understands it, of course that doesn't mean he has to love it.   He'll probably get a cuppa at the end of the year either way.

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20 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

I'm sure he understands it, of course that doesn't mean he has to love it.   He'll probably get a cuppa at the end of the year either way.

I agree with you that he doesn't love it. Just saying a levelheaded kid would get that half a season of .262/ .341/.376 at Toledo, good for 95 wRC+, ain't gonna punch your ticket to the Show. At least not yet. 

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It’s obviously true that the timing of any call-up has downstream effects on service time and related benefits. 
 

I think it’s fine to take those into consideration when it means a difference of a couple weeks. But I don’t agree that if you have a valid reason to make a move that you delay that move by months because of it. 
 

Whether or not Clark (or Anderson) is both ready for a promotion and can help the team is certainly debatable. But in my view if you conclude that he could be called up and he could help the team, I think it’s wrong to leave him in Toledo. 
 

We just had one of the worst months of baseball that we have ever seen, and we played the entire month without a CF. I’m not necessarily saying max clark would have helped us win more game in May. But I don’t think he would have hurt us either, and now the season is basically over.

Sometimes call up timing is clear and easy like with Kevin this year. But that didn’t stop at least a few in the media from actually suggesting that he not be called up until August. That was crazy then and it is obviously hilarious to think about now. 
 

If it were August 2 instead of June 2 and we were in the same state as we are currently, then it would be a much easier call to make. 

Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, Shelton said:

We just had one of the worst months of baseball that we have ever seen, and we played the entire month without a CF. I’m not necessarily saying max clark would have helped us win more game in May. But I don’t think he would have hurt us either, and now the season is basically over.

It's one thing not to panic, it's another to let the season go down the drain without trying *anything*

I guess like frogs in warming water, we became inured to the inaction in the face of the continued losing, but if one steps back and considers the whole month, is it in any way acceptable that a POBO can't come up with is a single idea/move/trade/call-up to try and break his team out of an epic tailspin before they got so hopelessly behind that their probability of getting back into the race is effectively zero (as per Chasfh's well appreciated but dismal research result)? That after 3 1/2 years of his work to build the system it had no assets he could leverage to help his MLB team? That his league wide scouting couldn't identify one obtainable player with a reasonable chance of helping?

Whatever confidence I ever had that  Harris is anything special has pretty much evaporated. 

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6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

It's one thing not to panic, it's another to let the season go down the drain without trying *anything*

I guess like frogs in warming water, we became inured to the inaction in the face of the continued losing, but if one steps back and considers the whole month, is it in any way acceptable that a POBO can't come up with is a single idea/move/trade/call-up to try and break his team out of an epic tailspin before they got so hopelessly behind that their probability of getting back into the race is effectively zero (as per Chasfh's well appreciated but dismal research result)? That after 3 1/2 years of his work to build the system it had no assets he could leverage to help his MLB team? That his league wide scouting couldn't identify one obtainable player with a reasonable chance of helping?

Whatever confidence I ever had that  Harris is anything special has pretty much evaporated. 

Yes, and as Chas pointed out recently, the guys in the locker room are indeed human and I believe there can definitely be inertial confidence / depression when things start moving in a certain direction. They can say all the right things to the media in the locker room about “next man up” or “we come back tomorrow and try to win a baseball game”, but it has to be frustrating to see that your reserves are the likes of Zack short and gage workman. These guys know. It’s not a secret which guys have high ceilings and which guys are placeholders. 
 

It’s fine to play roster games for a week or so, but when the roster games result in having a month worse than 2003 (I think last I checked their offense in May was worse than the 2003 tigers), I doubt it is going to be received well. 

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