Tenacious D Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just go all in for the tank now? Wouldn’t take much effort. Quote
tiger2022 Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, buddha said: this team sucks. who is the genius that put this team together? I don't know why there are Harris slappies to be honest. Outside of signing Valdez and drafting McGonigle, he has done absolutely nothing to improve the roster since he was hired. Quote
Tigermojo Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Just go all in for the tank now? Wouldn’t take much effort. I don’t think the gritty Tigers exist anymore. I don’t think it's a choice to tank or not. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 12 minutes ago, papalawrence said: I don't recall ever seeing so many hr walk-offs in such a short period of time. Ever Especially with 2 out. Totally cruel. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 7 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I don't know why there are Harris slappies to be honest. Outside of signing Valdez and drafting McGonigle, he has done absolutely nothing to improve the roster since he was hired. Running outta Avila players...<ducks> Quote
IdahoBert Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago This team is snake bit. If they’d had a 3-1 lead, Finnegan would’ve probably given up two runs in the bottom of the ninth anyway and we would’ve still lost in extra innings. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Now AJ will never call for a bunt again. 1 Quote
Hongbit Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago How in the world did this bullpen get so insanely bad so quickly. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 13 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I don't know why there are Harris slappies to be honest. Outside of signing Valdez and drafting McGonigle, he has done absolutely nothing to improve the roster since he was hired. I think he is liked because Avila was bad and because Harris is their first real analytical GM. I definitely like that they have moved in that direction. However, I am not sure whether he is a cooker cutter analytic GM or whether he will prove to be one of the good ones. Quote
Tigermojo Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Might want to just start trading guys who still have four limbs before the leprosy outbreak in the clubhouse. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: How in the world did this bullpen get so insanely bad so quickly. Edman has a theory that teams have picked up on some of the bullpen "magic" they have use in the last couple of years. He may have a point. Quote
papalawrence Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago (edited) I'm beyond frustrated and almost fully apathetic. But the injuries matter. As talented as Atlanta has been, they've missed the playoffs due to injuries. They're healthy now and maybe the best team in baseball. If reasonable healthy this is probably an 84 win team. It is snake bitten. The baseball gods are evening things out because they over performed the last 2 years Edited 14 hours ago by papalawrence Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Just now, Tiger337 said: Edman has a theory that teams have picked up on some of the bullpen "magic" they have use in the last couple of years. He may have a point. or it's just lack of power pitching, which still has a lot of utility in a BP. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: or it's just lack of power pitching, which still has a lot of utility in a BP. Not enough difference in velocity between pitchers perhaps? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Not enough difference in velocity between pitchers perhaps? well, Brieske throws hard, if he can hold together for any period of time. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago According to baseruns (the # of runs a team should have scored/allowed based on H, BB, HR, etc), the Tigers should have scored 4.05 runs per game and allowed 4.09. That would be a 28-29 record. Bad sequencing on both sides of the ball. https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/pythagorean-baseruns 1 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 56 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: According to baseruns (the # of runs a team should have scored/allowed based on H, BB, HR, etc), the Tigers should have scored 4.05 runs per game and allowed 4.09. That would be a 28-29 record. Bad sequencing on both sides of the ball. https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/pythagorean-baseruns Please do not show this to Scott Harris or he will be broadcasting it as a reason for still not making changes. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 35 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: Please do not show this to Scott Harris or he will be broadcasting it as a reason for still not making changes. I think it suggests they have had poor situational hitting and pitching...which most of us have noticed. I don't expect any changes for now. They are kind of stuck until they get healthy. Edited 12 hours ago by Tiger337 1 Quote
SeattleMike Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Dan can't believe 4 walk off HRs on 50 games, but look at the pitch profile of the Tiger bullpen. Guys who rely on splits and changes - those are pitches that leave the yard when mistakes are made. Vest *was* the only guy with a good fastball, and his is generally a two seamer, and this season his velo is down. And every one with two outs I believe. That is some bad mojo. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) I know Harris is going nowhere, but I want them to lose now because I want this fraud of a manager out. August 2024-June 2025 was mere luck. He keeps trotting Perez, Short, Jones and Workman out there. But the injuries? I don't care. Carpenter and Baez are not going to save this team whenever they come back. The fact is that this manager and GM refuse to make meaningful changes is sickening. I know people will say the other guys aren't any better, but at this point, isn't it worth taking a look at it? I mean, they truly can't be any worse. Starting Pichers - if you want a win - you better through something close to a no-hitter. Perez - the worst player in the majors - will still start games when Carpetner comes back. They saw what this offense was in August and September of last year and they did virtually nothing to improve it. Plus I question this team's heart. Seems like they quit when Skubal got hurt. McGonigle and Dingler are the only ones I care about anymore. I'm sure they'll screw them up at some point. Edited 6 hours ago by Motor City Sonics Quote
chasfh Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago However bad it is for us watching the Tigers lose in horrific fashion on TV night after night, it is twice as soul-crushing seeing it happen in person. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Even if we hadn’t had all of these walkoff homerun losses…..we’d still be like 10 games under .500 Quote
Tenacious D Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Harris only gets fired if it somehow gets publicly embarrassing for Ilitch. That’s what finally happened to Avila. This ownership has traditionally been loyal to a fault—this extends to the Wings, as well. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Harris only gets fired if it somehow gets publicly embarrassing for Ilitch. That’s what finally happened to Avila. This ownership has traditionally been loyal to a fault—this extends to the Wings, as well. Ilitch has shown that while he likes to be 'around' his teams, he has no taste for being an activist owner. Avila and Yzerman prove he is willing to have far more patience with his management than many pro sports owners. You might think that seeing both of his teams repeatedly collapsing just when they were supposed to be turning the corner might drive him to a drastic move, but I still doubt it. Maybe more concerning is that all of the 2024 euphoria about McGonigle, Clark, Briceno and Liranzo as the next wave of hitters has turned into "Well, McGonigle is certainly great and who are those other guys?" Nothing unusual about a high miss rate on prospects, unless you are specifically selling your ability to find and hit on prospects at a higher rate as why you should have the job. You need to average one or two players a year to keep up. If this year we count Melton and McGonigle, that's fine, but two players is not a development bonanza - it's your average target. 1 Quote
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