chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Now that this issue has moved beyond the Supreme Court, and is certain to be a hot button political issue for years to come, it's probably time to start up a topic dedicated to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 This is the first shot across the bough I have seen about companies trying to navigate local laws in states where abortion is now or will soon become outlawed. I believe many, many companies will solve this problem by moving operations out of such states, or at least refusing to move operations there. 2. Tech companies face tough calls post-Roe Illustration: Lindsey Bailey/Axios In offering to pay for workers who need to travel out of state to get an abortion, tech companies are only tackling the first of many challenges they will have to navigate in a post-Roe world. Our thought bubble: Tech companies have plenty of money to cover the costs of such travel, but will face much tougher decisions when it comes to expansion, locating conferences, which politicians to support as well as how to handle court orders for customer data by prosecutors. Driving the news: On Friday, the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade, the federal precedent that ensured legal access to abortion throughout the U.S., with a number of states immediately making abortion illegal and others poised to quickly follow suit. A number of companies in the tech industry and beyond have announced or reiterated policies to cover both the travel and medical costs for workers who need to travel to another state to get abortion care. Some companies, such as Pittsburgh-based Duolingo, also warned that they may limit expansion in places that outlaw abortion. None have talked in any detail about how they might handle requests from prosecutors. However, as we have reported, it's an issue sure to come up. The big picture: A wide range of data could be sought by prosecutors, from purchases of pregnancy tests and ovulation kits on Amazon, to messaging data from Facebook, to location data from Google or cellular carriers. Between the lines: Even paying for travel could prove to be more complicated than just offering up the money. Employees may have to share their pregnancy status and other sensitive medical information with employers in order to get such coverage. That information could be subpoenaed by law enforcement, and pregnancy-related discrimination is still a big issue in the tech industry. Plus, it makes workers even more dependent on their employers and highlights a fresh challenge for freelancers and contractors who work for tech companies without full benefits. Be smart: The Digital Defense Fund has updated its online Abortion and Pregnancy Privacy Guide for consumers on how to protect their mobile and online data. Go deeper: Without Roe, data will become a company headache and a user nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 What's the process for seeking asylum in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: This is the first shot across the bough *bow, like that of a ship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Pretty amazing how something in one state can be illegal and punishable by prison sentences upwards and over 10 years and in other states it is perfectly legal. No other developed country in the world has such radically different laws depending on what geographic location you are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said: *bow, like that of a ship It sure is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: What's the process for seeking asylum in Canada? Aren't you the guy who wants to live in Norway? https://www.insider.com/easy-countries-to-move-to-from-usa-visas-immigration-2020-11#you-can-easily-move-to-svalbard-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Aren't you the guy who wants to live in Norway? https://www.insider.com/easy-countries-to-move-to-from-usa-visas-immigration-2020-11#you-can-easily-move-to-svalbard-4 Yes. This sounds interesting. I was going to pursue Italian citizenship again so I could get my foot into the EU. It's not an easy process but shit is getting real in the US. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said: *bow, like that of a ship I have any number of noisy obnoxious red squirrels on my lot for whom a shot across the bough would be just the thing, but we must bend low at the waist to naval history as being a richer source of metaphor than our arboreal rodent friends, who in this case have to settle for blinding stumbling into their sparser nuggets of lexicographal reputation. Edited June 27, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 49 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: What's the process for seeking asylum in Canada? Step by Step guide: https://www.yahoo.com/news/step-step-guide-moving-canada-152117931.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Yes. This sounds interesting. I was going to pursue Italian citizenship again so I could get my foot into the EU. It's not an easy process but shit is getting real in the US. I Montenegro gets you right across the Adriatic from "the heel of the boot". Or Bari, Italy, if you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said: Montenegro gets you right across the Adriatic from "the heel of the boot". Or Bari, Italy, if you prefer. My mother is a dual Italian-American citizen. Italy seems like the easiest avenue into the EU. I actually contacted the Italian consulate to see about starting the process or if I'm even eligible and then the pandemic hit and I hunkered down for two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 So that's nice... you may have a couple options/ pathways. I'm going to claim "political persecution by US Christian terrorists". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Pretty amazing how something in one state can be illegal and punishable by prison sentences upwards and over 10 years and in other states it is perfectly legal. No other developed country in the world has such radically different laws depending on what geographic location you are in. To think this is not even the first law to come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Quite a few female friends that don’t fall anywhere on the political spectrum have been posting things similar to this. The GOP is going to have a huge problem with moderates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I hope so. I hope these narrow minded people who live in their church/religious school bubbles come to realize how out of touch they really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I hope Susan Sarandon is happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Quite a few female friends that don’t fall anywhere on the political spectrum have been posting things similar to this. The GOP is going to have a huge problem with moderates. This comes on the heels of something that came across my alerts from AP news: More Than 1 Million Voters Switch to GOP in Warning to Dems Of course, that’s broadly in the past year, not related to the Roe overturning. We’ll see whether that has any impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, oblong said: I hope so. I hope these narrow minded people who live in their church/religious school bubbles come to realize how out of touch they really are. I think there are other people who are also in other types of bubbles: I would put it: I hope these narrow minded people who live in their college/hang-out-with-friends/work&play-work&play/ politics: "What Me Worry" bubbles come to realize how out of touch they really are, and how their lives are now affected by being so out of touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, chasfh said: This comes on the heels of something that came across my alerts from AP news: More Than 1 Million Voters Switch to GOP in Warning to Dems Of course, that’s broadly in the past year, not related to the Roe overturning. We’ll see whether that has any impact. Also... It's misleading. 630K switched from Republican to Dem, and 1 MM the other way, for a net change of 370K. They neglected to mention the other direction until mid-way through the article. Also, at 370K... I'm just guessing that that number is going to swing the other way... quickly and fiercely. But I'm just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Also... It's misleading. 630K switched from Republican to Dem, and 1 MM the other way, for a net change of 370K. They neglected to mention the other direction until mid-way through the article. Also, at 370K... I'm just guessing that that number is going to swing the other way... quickly and fiercely. But I'm just guessing. Good catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) It’s hard to say how many people know somebody that’s had an abortion. I can promise you that everyone on this board knows someone that’s had a difficult pregnancy where at some point the mother’s well being was in question. It’s unfathomable that a married mother who gets pregnant from doing things that married couples do will be forced to have the baby despite what damage it may do to her. I can think of 20 other similar scenarios where this will law impact the well being of the mother. Amazing the lack of regard these people have for what goes on during a pregnancy. It’s just not as easy as have sex and 9 months later baby is born. Many people will die because of this decision. Edited June 27, 2022 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: It’s hard to say how many people know somebody that’s had an abortion. I can promise you that everyone on this board knows someone that’s had a difficult pregnancy where at some point the mother’s well being was in question. It’s unfathomable that a married mother who get pregnant from doing things that married couples do will be forced to have the baby despite what damage it may do to her. I can think of 20 other similar scenarios where this will law impact the well being of the mother. Amazing the lack of regard these people have for what goes on during a pregnancy. It’s just not as easy as have sex and 9 months later baby is born. Many people will die because of this decision. That’s OK, the baby will live and become a productive member of whatever farm or service job they are assigned to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, chasfh said: That’s OK, the baby will live and become a productive member of whatever farm or service job they are assigned to. And of course, if the mother dies during birth, it’s ok since she will be with Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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