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He says 5/$180 for Duren.

Great article. I never realized this many prospects worked out. It makes me realize just how bad Al Avila's scouts were when he traded away all of the expensive Tiger players.

I enjoyed S1 and am looking forward to S2. Not sure how they do a S3 without Hardy. He is pretty important to the show.

Part way through that video. Some of the numbers they toss out for Duren make me cringe. $35-$40 million? Ugh. I also didn't understand Sam saying you can't really offer Duren a number and tell him to go get better. Why not? Seems a bit silly to negotiate against yourself without taking the market's temperature.

Let’s be honest here…. We haven’t had many stars to trade in the last 10+ years. Last time we did was the Avila sell off that got us Jake Rogers and nothing else. Before that we were buyers through the Ausmus and Leyland years and before that we had no stars. We dealt David Price and got Boyd and Norris. That was considered a decent return and Norris just didn’t pan out despite being the headliner coming back. We also acquired Fulmer for Cespedes and that was a great move until Fulmer fell apart. The most recent other one I can think of was trading Jeff Weaver and getting Jeremy Bonderman, Carlos Pena and Franklyn German. That actually was a good return—but then we rushed Bonderman and gave up on Pena.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-trade-deadline-mlb-prospect-team-of-the-past-decade/

I agree at this point. I was in the camp of trade Skubal before the season, but that ship has sailed and I certainly was rooting for the Tigers and Skubal once it was clear they were going to keep him. That said, assuming we don't turn things around (certainly possible) then I'd rather get something, even if it's not a haul, vs. just letting the player(s) walk. Now obviously I'd prefer a solid return vs. a bag of used balls and a single-A prospect who's 26, but I'd be happy with a even just a high ranked prospect or two in double or triple A vs. a draft pick when Skubal walks.

How has that worked out for Baltimore? Hmmm..... Baltimore 21 -29

Golly I thought Adames was still playing, silly me. And yes those are older though your 40 years ago is an exaggerration to cover the fact that your statement is wildly wrong. Many of those players played well into this century. It's harder to cite more recent trades because the results aren't fully in. In 10 years, we'll know more. Sorry that it doesn't work for message board outrage.

But take Skubal and Mize, for instance. If Tiger management determines they're not going to spend the money to sign them, or if the players are determined to test the market and refuse to sign, wouldn't it be better to get a couple (or few) prospects for them at the trade deadline over getting a single draft pick once they leave? IDK...

Oh I agree, as I said somewhere else - prospects are always a roll of the dice. But if you don't roll them you can't hit boxcars.

I think the problem with WAR isn’t that it’s a flawed statistic to look at—but that people want to assume that it’s a consistent and predictable way to evaluate a players future production. The question shouldn’t be “what was his WAR last year?” It should be “are his underlying metrics supporting the idea that his WAR is repeatable?”

Tulsi out... Still not feeling like the thing though.

He slowed down physically, and visually in terms of performance, but I am not convinced he couldn't do the job. The mind is what matters and I wasn't there and I don't trust the media or staff members to give us an honest account. But politically that stuff does matter and difficult conversations should have been had earlier.

Obviously if we get healthy and are playing strong baseball up to the deadline, the strategy changes. If we are still struggling though, you have to be realistic and understand that not making deadline moves is a big waste of a chance to move the club in the direction you need it to go. There’s not a ton in free agency each year to do that with—and you have to compete with all other interested teams to sign a guy. As deadline sellers, you are in a unique and specific position based off who you are shopping. I don’t know that we necessarily need a “haul” in return for the guys I’d look to trade. I think quality over quantity is the way to go. What we need to do in any trades we make is get guys who display the skill set that Harris has been promising since he took over. Get guys at the positions of need who have good walk rates and very good K:BB rates. Even if Skubal leaves, we still have a lot of young pitching talent and can supplement that with some good pitching signings with the freed up money after this year. The offense needs to be built around guys that get on base at .350+ clips and who have bat to ball skills. Homerun power is great, but we will win more if we are constantly putting pressure on the opposing teams pitching by driving up pitch counts and advancing runners. Then we need guys who can play defensive positions at a high level. That’s how these smaller market teams like the Rays and Guardians constantly find success—so we should do the same but then surpass them by actually having the payroll to keep the guys who are stars and supplement the team each offseason. It’s time for the organization to move on from guys that don’t fit the mantra and go hard towards the team identity that’s being preached.

So it’ll rain the whole freaking day, even though this is one of those Apple TV games I could actually watch? A game between two cellar dwelling teams? I guess if anything qualifies as a “must win“ this game could or at least it should be considered a “might win“ sort of game.

That's a big reason why Baltimore wouldn't trade any of their guys a few years back and also why Harris wouldn't trade any of the Tiger prospects The big trade they always talk about is the Chris Archer deal a few years ago. It was a bad trade but Glasnow has been a human IL machine, Austin Meadows couldn't handle the stress of playing and quit, and Baz has been downright awful.

Not really. Culumulative player WAR correlates pretty high with team wins. If it didn't, then it wouldn't be useful. That is why I wanted to know about pitching. There is also luck involved since it's only one third of as season so far.

True and another thing is that teams know their prospects better than they use to know them and I think they are more reluctant to trade the best ones.

This also shows how flawed WAR is.

We have an Asian Lily that I purchased for Mother’s Day about 4 years ago. It goes dormant in the Fall and has surprisingly come back every Spring. Always around May 15

These guys are all retired by now. Listing guys traded 40 years ago sure drives the point home. Maybe someone from the current century?

Biden with only half a mind would still be better than Trump’s “genius” brains

Not clinically, but he was very much in decline from his peak. I don't know how far he fell between the end of his presidency and that debate, but that debate was uncomfortably embarrassing. Trump was embarrassing too but being embarrassing is his baseline and his followers don't care anyway.