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Right. I want to circle back to this because I think this is a great example of how scouts project a player and often times fans don't necessarily understand why they're quick to tag a guy in a certain role or limit their potential in a write-up, instead of just assuming growth where they need it. With a guy like Flores, I'm not going to project the CV to develop much because I don't have any evidence in the current profile of him being able to manipulate the ball in the way he needs to in order for the CV to step forward. Right now the arsenal has a fastball and cutter, which let's be honest is just a variation on the fastball with grip or finger pressure changes. The CV currently doesn't have the type of spin rate to suggest he's got "it" to snap it off down the line. If, let's say, he threw a competent slider or even a changeup (though this would be a tougher leap), then I have evidence that he can spin or manipulate SOMETHING. In that case, I'm going to at least consider projecting advancement of the CV, maybe not much but some. Instead, I'm left with a fastball pitcher that doesn't yet generate the spin necessary for success with the CV. On top of that, even if he shifts to a slider and somehow finds success, he still doesn't have anything with a significant vertical component. Without that, he's generally working in at best just the vicinity of one plane, maybe actually in just one plane, so he has to demonstrate ability to change planes with location consistently. All that combined, a fastball/cutter arm that needs to elevate to change sight lines instead of utilizing pitch movement, and not seeing any substantial ability to spin the ball, leaves him with a relief profile (for me, anyway). If he breaks the expected path he's on and suddenly finds more spin as he develops, then that's a substantial profile change that necessitates revisiting the overall projection. I'd adjust that projection if that happens, but as it stands now it wouldn't be prudent to project anything more than relief in his future.

So I see things are still as depressing as hell around here in a political forum. LOL hello ladies and gentlemen! 😁

If Verlander wants to join the next winning culture of the Detroit Tigers, he will sign with them. If not, they will beat him.

Nothing like that has happened in the Tigers organization for a while. There was that situation in Toledo involving a suspicious death, large gambling debts and connections to the Adduci family, but Toledo law enforcement claimed it was a coincidence.

Christ on a cracker, if this guy is not stopped and ends up running in 2024, and actually wins, then this country is truly fucked, and it won’t come back for any of us in any of our lifetimes. tl;dr: stop this guy already.

Don’t need no stinkin’ 3rd jersey.

Jones had that good few month stretch back in 2018 I believe where he looked like he could be a piece going forward, iirc he was at an 800-850 OPS over a couple hundred AB stretch but then he got hurt again and never came close to those numbers after that. Another thing about him is that he was older than some people thought, or atleast I thought anyway. It took him so long to get called up that you didn't realize he was already 26 or 27 at that point.

I feel like John Cusack at the end of Eight Men Out..............."Those fellas are all gone now" Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level grass stretches far away

Shy bigot syndrome

Not since I stopped working for government.

No, it's to sell more merch.

1 year contract, with option, 20M guaranteed 2022 - 10M 2023-24 - 10M buyout, or 30M each year JV gets the same $$$ as QO from Houston; if Tigers pick up option, it is 3/70M this costs the Tigers a draft pick (Max is going to get as much as 3/120 from the Dodgers)

You apply decision science to things and then the people in power dork it up....is that what you are saying?

Now all we gotta do is get Fox News to tell their viewers this, and everything will be all right. 😏

but he didnt lose. 365 yards passing and looked really good in the second half. stafford's a top 10 qb in the nfl. not the best, but still pretty good. sorry hater tater.

I'm probably thinking with my heart and not my head but I truly believe in Verlander and think he could be one of those special players that are productive into their 40s. I know he is coming off of TJ so I would definitely temper my expectations that first year but even if he isn't a frontline ace that doesn't mean he still can't be of value.

Don't give Manfred any ideas.

Correa has only played more than 110 games in a season twice. I would be worried about that.

veleno with the winner! seider with tons of ice time. looks very physical. always good to beat the pens, even if cindy wasnt playing.

Coming back from TJ. QO. 39 years old next year. Wants a contract of some length. Avila/ Ilitch can beg to differ... but IMO out of our range. I'm not interested. Anyone else in here interested in JV based on the above components? We haven't even gotten to dollars yet.

Any time the Yankees lose, there is a worldwide celebration.

I just want to go on record as being outraged, totally outraged, at the marginalization, belittlement, and criminalization of drunken sailorism.

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