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I don't think you can build for the World Series. You can only build to get into the playoffs as often as possible and hope you win the whole thing some year. Since the Orioles can probably make the playoffs the next few years without Skubal., it makes sense that they would not trade multiple young players to get him. Dombrowski went all in for stars and it made the team better but didn't get him a World Series. It made more sense in his case though because he never had the kind of young core that was going to win consisently without making big acquisitions.

I am totally with you on Harris and the progress he is making in our system, which was all but leveled by TFGM and so is going to take some time to actually build up. It just amuses me how people think we absolutely should be in the playoffs RIGHT ****ING NOW because it’s been ten years already, and obviously I’m sympathetic to that because I lived through all his, too, but when you calm down and think rationally about it, you can see that’s basically lashing out. I’m not sure Avila actually enjoyed lottery tickets as much as he didn’t know how to put the right kind of work into assessing prospects. For all the lip service he paid for Caesar, he either couldn’t, or wouldn’t, put anything along those lines in place to help him do his job. He took the lottery tickets because, as in the 80’s, that’s all he ever thought prospects even were.

For you @smr-nj

I don't know if he tried and there just weren't any trades in this regard that made sense for the Tigers but I wouldve liked to see them take on the Cubs approach. The Cubs sold players that weren't going to be there next year and threw into the towel on this year but were buyers on players that could help them next yr and beyond like Isaac Paredes. I feel like the Tigers are in a similar situation to them and are potentially close enough next year where they could've been buyers for players like that and still sold off guys like Flaherty and Chafin.

Having McGonigle below Madden, Melton, and Sweeny doesn't make any sense to me. And not having Hamm in the top 20?

One thing I'd like to see Harris do in the next 12 months is secure at least one fire-breathing back-of-the-bullpen guy, whether via trade, waivers, Rule 5 pickup, MiLB contract, or development. That is one component without which you cannot win the 2025 game.

the grades for the Tigers are all over the place both for the main deal and the deadline in general - basically, no one knows what else was on the table, no one knows if FLaherty's back will hold up, and no one knows which of the prospects will work out eventually

What if I told you… Either actually tell us or STFU. Weasel words are not worth reading. If you have real evidence to back it up, fine.

Trump identified as white for years, and then a few years ago, he identified as orange. So he knows all about that stuff.

Spend when we’re close to winning => we’re never close to winning because we don’t spend => checkmate!

Was Bin Laden more political or military? 10/7 is Israel’s 9/11. Anyone involved will be hunted until they are taken out.

Apparently not. Elias built a great team in Baltimore but if his greed for duplicity of stud minor league hopefuls prevent him from getting the "DD" piece to win in October what good is it. maybe some GMs/PBOs can build and can't make "the Play" and some are the opposite Ala DD. I hope Harris can do both. A Skubal Trade with Baltimore made so much sense to both sides. Why do you need Holiday when you have Gunner backed up by Westberg at short and why do you need Skubal when you're years away from winning and can't without a shortstop. Baltimore could have had Burnes and Skubal starting 60 % of their playoff series. It's like the guy with 10 performance cars who rents because he can't afford to buy a house due to car payments and we're the husband that won't let his wife divorce him knowing she will eventually leave anyway and choosing to live in misery.

If this guy is writing that he’s been saying the Tigers have been close to having a breakout season for years, including last year and the final few Avila years, then I have my doubts about his analysis chops.

We can't complain about our past GM that settled for too little then complain about our current one asking too much and not immediately settling. Sure there was a chance he turned down a better offer last week by waiting but Id rather him take the chance and hope that a better offer comes then take one of the first ones he gets cause he's worried a better one wont come.

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I'm not sure I follow the flaw in asking for too much and waiting until the end. Are you supposed to ask for less up front and hope they offer more? I don't buy any reporting that's out there, at least not from the Tigers side. They don't leak and I refuse to believe our beat writers have any inside knowledge. They're just as in the dark as we are. The thing with the Yankees came from them to save face, a real bush league move if you ask me.

He spent what 300 million just a couple offseasons ago

I don't know that it is clear what exactly Harris' Israel policy would be... Although one thing I do think is clear is that Israel's PM probably would be standing on firmer ground with the American public if he didn't spend the last 9 months poking it's greatest ally in the eye over and over again, while doing backdoor diplomacy with a former POTUS running for office once again. Israel isn't in a good spot here, but to a degree, its a spot they are in because of their own actions. They shouldn't be let off the hook for that when assessing the situation

Gonna push back on this one a little bit as, in a lot of cases, it is being used to highlight comments like Vance's "childless cat ladies" comment, which is weird, exclusionary and, if you really sit and think about it, is a "deplorables" level comment in its own right. Dems shouldn't be scared of highlighting that, even in ways that seem unorthodox to how they normally address these things. Now, at some point, you have to pair the word with tangible examples of weird policies that the Trump/Vance ticket has been tied to or else it will fade away. But it's clear to me just by looking at the reaction from the Trump side that they don't see this as a positive. At all. It's the most off of their game I have seen them since coming down the escalator (maybe even more than Access Hollywood, which Trump just powered through at the subsequent debate)

Childless. Doesn’t pass the Vance test.

the way I heard it, his handlers yanked him. guessing they couldn't trust him to not say something even more stupid than every single thing he'd said to that point and even more damaging besides.

Trump's idea of how the event in Chicago would go

i personally miss the waiver trade period. i liked teams putting everybody on waivers and seeing what happened

Beyond the weird angle, I do wonder whether Trump's age starts to become more of an issue going forward.... it was easy for him to duck those concerns with Biden in the race, but he now has an opponent who is much younger and more vigorous than he is. And who will likely outwork him on the campaign trail. He also just sounds like **** whenever he talks.... I saw a few clips of his appearance in Minnesota this weekend and a clip of him being interviewed by Laura Ingraham yesterday and he sounded like a drunk who was slurring his words. I know people will say that he's always sounded crazy, but he never used to come across like this in 2016 or 2020. We assume nothing matters with the guy, but IDK, I don't think the contrast in this current race does him any favors.

Flaherty has been great but nobody is concerned about his back? Signing pitchers long term is scary enough with arm issues.

You are not turning any Trumpers. None of them. You need to boost turnout. I don't understand what moves the masses, but getting more people to vote should be be the strategy.

Although I will say that the right wing anti-woman campaign is a whole lot worse strategy!

Josh Shapiro is so exotic to blue-dog marginal voters that he has a 61% approval rating in a 50/50 state with a middle portion that resembles Alabama. Which is to say, he's not exotic at all to blue-dog marginal voters, relative to the other options at least. Just don't agree on this one.

Yes!

They happen to have one of those at 35th and S. Ashland, just a couple miles from that ballpark. That's pretty local.

QFT. Still, I wouldn't underestimate Netanyahu's talent for playing US politics. And I think if you approach him the way Obama did, treating Israel a US client state or junior partner, you won't get anywhere, much like Obama didn't. Israeli leaders will turn off any US Prez who tries to tell them what we think they should think is best for them - it just feeds their belief that the US has the luxury of being dilettante in foreign policy while Israeli concerns are existential. I would agree with the premise that Netanyahu has been wrong - a lot. That he is captive to a religious right in Israel that is at least a screwed up as our own, but I think our approach with him during the Obama years was also counter productive. I think Biden has done better, but there was already a lot of bad blood to overcome between the Democratic FP establishment and the Israelis

Ok the return he got for Flaherty is process and results. We'll see how that goes. I don't like his approach overall of team building.

I think that's definitely true, but... I think that would have been true before the trades, if maybe not quite as much. 3 of our 6 players penciled is an Major league starters are injured with now in Mize, Olson, and Manning. Another 1 has just totally bombed out and been demoted. That means we had 2 good starting pitchers. Starting pitching on 7/30 was in bad shape. For 2025, are we really in any worse shape that we were two days ago? Sure, triple A pitching isn't as deep as it was because we've had to call up Montero and will have to call up more now. But these are guys we hoped would be pushing for starting jobs next year and/or will be pushed back to triple-A if the three guys listed above come back healthy. The ground we've lost for the year isn't because of the trades, it's because of the injuries and underperformance of key players.

That ridiculous. Kikuchi had a great April, solid May, and a total horror show June and July. He’s got a 6 25 ERA in his last 11 starts. 65 hits and 39 ER in 54 IP. 2+ months of 💩 Flaherty last 12 starts is 2.43 ERA and 51 hits and 19 ER in 70.2 IP. The numbers aren’t even in the same atmosphere.

Bally put out a few clips

Yeah I think Trump is big on image and being portrayed as “cool” and being made fun of is not going over well. And the bad press for Vance is eating at him. Trump has no principles and I know deep down despises these people, the evangelicals, and now he’s finding himself at their table in the school gym surrounded by everybody else. It’s been an evolution and since Harris took over a lot of people are now paying attention who weren’t before.

normal stuff not bizarre and not desperate

One thing in favor of him being on opening day roster is the potential draft pick bonus if he’d win ROY. If they think he’s ready, I think they figure out his innings in Detroit for that possibility alone.

Hopefully this means Ty Madden and Lael Lockhart getting extended looks.

Okay, so there's no good choices. Kamala was appointed, nobody voted for her. Plus, she laughs! What about Hunter Biden? I paid for my student loans, why should we give handouts to everyone? You just won't respect anyone else's opinion. So hateful of you.

They traded four guys, including one who was maybe the best player available, and got three decent prospects. I think they can do better. I love their drafts, the development system, etc, but this aspect seems to need a little work.

As much as Trump and all the other turds in his circle deserve it, I don't like the weird campaign for a couple of reasons. First, calling people weird kind of goes against the whole diversity and inclusion message. Second, I think it might backfire on them bcause they will be seen as elitists who think they are better than MAGAs. It's similar to the basket of deplorables remark by Clinton in 2016. It's OK when Tim Walz does it because he knows how to say it and he doesn't come across as elitist, but others won't get away with it.

Harris needs to get credit for taking a free agent flyer on Flaherty and turning it into a fantastic first half performance along with a top 75 overall prospect and a young and hopefully better McKinstry. At the same time, he left too much meat on the bone in the trade. Toronto and Florida both got better packages for less of a player. They needed to do a better job negotiating a better deal.

what was that about making 'X' the free speech platform. ROTFL. Zuckerberg is probably high-fiving around the office on this news. Expect Trump soon to be selling gold spray painted Teslas on Truth Social.

It is absolutely nazi ****. It is exactly what you think it is. His “fans” will try to either tell you that you’re taking it out of context, OR…… crickets ****, because they know it can’t be defended and they’re more than willing to accept it, but <silently shhhhh>.

Remember the stretch last year when Carp, Tork and Greene were all clicking? It was brief, but made you feel like there was something to it. Now all three are out of the lineup. Our entire starting outfield is on the DL and our 1B is in the minors. It’s amazing we’ve hovered around .500 as long as we have.