RandyMarsh

Yeah I do agree he won't just take a qb early cause they need one or are projected to go in the 1st round simply cause the qb class is weak, much like this year. Like I don't see him using a 1st on a Christian Ponder or Blake Bortles like teams of the past did simply cause they wanted a qb, the guy he drafts will have to be a legit top half of the first graded qb or he simply will draft another position and look for his qb elsewhere. I shouldve prefaced this with assuming we aren't fortunate enough to build up the rest of the roster enough where are holes are limited and we can take a chance using an early pick on a qb that may have a flaw or two that prevented him from being a top guy. I think if we ever get to that point then Holmes would be willing to take a flyer and hope it pans out much like the Ravens did with Jackson. He had his flaws coming into the draft but they had so few holes they were willing to take a chance on him and see what happened.

Assuming Goff isn't the guy I think next draft is when we make our move. Obviously a lot can change but according to most of the big boards I have seen, 5 out of the top 10 guys are qbs so even if we don't finish with a top 5 pick if that holds up we should be picking close enough where we'll have the ammo to move up and grab one of them. Much like the Bears did with Fields.

If Goff shows no signs of returning to his form from a few years ago theres no doubt in my mind that Holmes will pounce at either an available veteran or use an early pick on a qb. I think he wisely is giving Goff one more chance considering the lack of weapons he had last year and the fact that I personally believe he was banged up for a good portion of the season but if he doesnt look good this year then Holmes is going to move on. He's smart enough to know that while you can win with average qb play(admittedly that's not easy but it can atleast be done) you have no chance if the qb is bottom 5ish like Goff played for the first half of last year. Last year's Browns are a testament to that.

The optimist in me is thinking it's just cause he was a rookie coming off an injury and will be able to stick at corner and be a solid one at that. I remember Slay getting burnt routinely his rookie year and he ended up making a big leap in the following years, I hope and expect Melifonwu to do the same, likely not to the extent Slay did but atleast to some extent.

Melifonwu was one of my favorite picks post draft last year so I have a bit of high hopes with him especially working with our coaches who seem to be a bit of DB whisperers.

I definitely have the same concerns but I would think the gurus know more than me and yet they seem to not have those concerns about him, or atleast to the extent that I and many of us on here share or else you would think he wouldn't essentially be the unanimous number 1. Perhaps its just cause all the players in this draft have some sorta question mark and somebody has to be 1 so he gets it by default.

Givony and Schmitz broke down scenarios for the bottom 3 teams and for the Pistons they said if they get number 1 they need to take Chet. Along with other things about him as a player they say he is the best fit among the top guys for Cade. They also said if we fall out of the top 3 the best pick for us would be Ivey.

Yep, if Goff indeed does look like his early season self then you have to move on from him but if he looks like how he did to finish the year Im fine with keeping him and to continue to use assets to stock pile the rest of the team.

Don't know how well it works but That 3 wheel toro is pretty sweet looking, not that I'm a lawn equipment connoisseur or anything so I never seen a 3 wheel machine like that before.

Forgot to copy the link but I did indeed see somebody on Twitter confirm that Alex will be the 27th man tomorrow, I didn't see if he was starting but I presume he is.

Also if you're good enough to reach the conference championship game you're good enough to win the SB, the NFL is much like the MLB in the aspect that their playoffs can be a crapshoot since they are just one game. I know it's a cliche but it is true,especially among teams of that caliber and that's on any given Sunday anybody can beat anybody else.

Goff has a TD pass that traveled 62 yards in the air, one of the longest in recent memory among NFL qbs and just last year had a td travel 50 yards in the air so I don't get where this narrative comes that he can't throw a ball more than 20 yards. He may be too reluctant to throw deep but that doesn't mean he physically can't if a guy is open down there.

On a serious note Im still of the belief that we can be contenders with Goff. Yeah having an elite qb makes things a whole helluva lot easier but teams have shown in recent years that you can indeed win without one. The 49ers made a SB and NFC Championship with Jimmy G The Jags made an AFC Championship with Bortles The Titans made the AFC Championship with Tannehill The Eagles won a Super Bowl with Foles plus not to beat a dead horse the Rams made the Super Bowl with Goff himself. I think if Goff can play like he did the last quarter of the season then that is sufficient enough going forward for the Lions if they continue to add the surrounding pieces like they have been.

My kool aid glasses reads and takes that as Goff = Brady!!

I don't know why I didn't think of this before but with us trading up for Williams it basically nullified the fact the Rams won the SB and we got the 32nd pick in turn. I mean even if that pick was say 20th we still wouldve had to pony up atleast the 34th pick to move up to 12th. I guess the only difference is that maybe we couldve gotten away with trading our comp pick instead of our own 3rd rounder but that isn't that big of deal.

I don't have a link cause I just saw it on Sportscenter but did anybody see the ump in the Mets game apologize to the pitcher for missing the call? It was a full count and he called seemingly reluctantly called a ball so the pitcher gave him the look and the ump proceeded to touch his chest in the "my bad" kinda way then apologized for missing it. You could tell right after he called it a ball that he knew he messed up and shouldve called a strike but I guess he figured by that point it was too late to change it. Either way though it was nice to see an ump own up to a missed call for a change.

I really like what the Chiefs did considering where they were picking. I prefer the fact that the Lions got two studs but considering the Chiefs didn't have the luxury of picking 2nd I think Id probably give them a higher grade than the Lions.

Lamar being a run first qb is definitely a legit concern but I do think that he is a good enough passer that he won't go full Cam Newton once he can't run and I also think his athleticism is so much higher than any non Vick qb we have ever seen that if/ when he starts to lose something he still will be so ahead of everybody that else that he will still be a problem for teams with his legs.

Stafford didn't exactly look that good the last couple years he played, that may have been due to injury but still from an outsider's perspective he was playing like a fringe upper half qb that was getting older all the while seemingly getting banged up more. Hypothetically if he would have played 2020 like he did for the Rams in 2021(throw out the team success just talking personal standpoint) I think we probably couldve gotten 3 firsts for him but in typical Lions fashion he had to have one of his poorer seasons the year he asked to be traded so we couldn't get as much as we might otherwise have gotten.

Depending on how we look next year would determine if Id be willing to give up a ton for somebody like Jackson. If we do indeed play near .500 and it appears that we'd be a qb away from being not just legit playoff contenders but possible SB contenders then Id gladly trade our two firsts next year and another one for Jackson.(assuming he is playing at a high level)

Right now it does appear that we may be copying the Denver blueprint. They got playmakers on both sides of the ball so they had moderate success even without a qb but the veteran qbs took notice of that and zeroed in on playing there. If we go say 8-9 or 9-8 next year with only average play from Goff perhaps a good veteran will zero in on us to want to play for.

Yeah personally Id rather win and have the young guys show growth and promise but if we do underperform it would be nice to walk away with a CJ Stroud instead of a Jeff Okudah or even a Hutchinson.

Btw PFF put out their 2023 mock and they have us taking CJ Stroud at 4, yeah it would suck to have to endure another terrible season but if I knew Stroud would be at the end of the rainbow Id deal with it.

I have to give it an A at this point and the reason is simple, the Lions arguably got the best defensive player and best non tackle offensive player in the entire draft. Getting two playmakers like that is worth an A on its own in my book. Fans and the media love to glorify trading down and picking up extra picks and while that can be nice the reality is the vast majority of the time those picks end up producing average starters AT BEST. You can find average starters in FA or even the waiver wire in some cases but what you can't find are true game changers and the Lions potentially got two of them, one on each side of the ball, and if that wasn't good enough they were both a huge position of need. To me that is worth an A regardless of how the rest of the draft turns out.