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Personally I don't think he is a great coach. I think they drafted great late, and had a great team, but I think there are a number of coaches that could have had similar success.

That's why I don't think McVay is an offensive genius. I think he originally did that more, but then expected Goff to continue to grow in ways Goff wasn't capable. McVay seems stubborn to me where Campbell, Johnson, and Glenn build their systems around their players skills.

I think McVay treated Goff unfairly and expected more of him than Goff could do. I don't think he is a quarterback whisperer. I think he wants to run what he wants to run and doesn't care if it fits the player. I do think Stafford was a significant upgrade for what McVay wanted to run. And I think Goff would have been much worse in Detroit than Stafford was under Patricia. I think Goff is a solid QB that teams can win with. There is an article out on the Athletic about revisiting QB tiers and for this year they would move Goff from Tier 3 (preseason where they ranked him 22) to mid Tier 2, but most surveyed still believed he was upper Tier 3 (in the 15-20 range) going forward. You can win with that. How Goff finishes out this season will definitely be a factor. If he finishes strong which I hope and believe he will, not much changes from now. If his weapons/line are mostly healthy and he falters the last 4 weeks, that definitely has to be something to consider.

Yes, but it is much easier and cheaper to get a right tackle than it is to get a top flight QB.

I think you are overestimating your ability to assess talent. We don't know for sure. What if, for example, Stroud blows up and dominates against Georgia and Michigan in the playoff? What if someone like Levis or Richardson is the one Holmes likes and available with the Lions pick? Or what if Holmes goes defense with the Rams pick, but thinks it is worth trading up to get Stroud/Levis/Richardson with one or more of his extra picks? Or if he sees a later round pick that really stands out to him? It doesn't have to be with the Rams pick for this to happen. I trust Holmes to evaluate much more than myself or anyone else on this board as he has earned it in his time here and with the Rams. If Holmes doesn't see any of them worthy and commits to Goff, I trust him also.

And we (or at least I) am not saying Goff can't be the future QB. I am just saying if Holmes sees a guy that he believes gives the best chance to win in 2024, he should draft him. And yes, the rookie deal is a significant factor as while you will eventually have to pay them, for 4-5 years (3-4 if they sit in 2023) you have them at a much lower salary and can use that money to fill out the team. That $20-40 million/yr difference can easily be the difference between a super bowl contender and a playoff contender for each of those 3-4 years. If Goff continues to perform and is the QB of the future, he will likely be getting $30-40 million/year in 2024. He may be worth it. But if Holmes believes one of the current crop of QB's can be as good or better with the solid OL and weapons, I definitely would trust him to take them.

Not necessarily. McVay may have put a younger Goff in position to succeed, but then pushed him/demanded more from him than he was able to develop into and so Goff didn't perform as well. We are definitely seeing what coaching that discovers and builds around what players can do does for a team as well as those individual players success. The more talent they have at all positions, the more ways they can win. Certain positions are harder to find improvements on than others, whether it be in the draft or the cost in free agency. Holmes has done a great job in evaluating players in the draft and I fully trust him to make that decision. And while I 100% agree that Holmes wanted Goff in the Stafford trade, in no way do I think he wouldn't pick a QB if he thought that QB gave the team the best chance to win in 2024. If he doesn't, he will wait until he finds that player.

Stafford was dealing with an injury all preseason and supposedly during the season. But again, it isn't whether Goff has been good. He has been. It is if Holmes thinks there is a QB that is likely to give the team a better chance to win for 2024 on a rookie contract or not. If he does, he better take him. If he doesn't, he better not waste a pick on one.

I think everyone who has brought up the possibility of drafting a QB agrees with this.

I don't think anyone is saying Goff is the problem. I think most are saying if Holmes thinks there is a QB in the draft that can be better than Goff in 2024 and on a rookie contract so he can spend the $ elsewhere, he should do it. If he doesn't, he shouldn't and Goff is just fine. Goff has played great and took away the absolute need to draft a QB. But if Holmes believes one of the guys available is the right one, he should definitely take him.

This is my thought but I completely trust Holmes. I have no doubt as things stand now that Goff is the QB for 2023. I also have think Goff has taken any trade for a QB like Lamar off the table. The question is a draft pick for the reasons you say and that is where I trust Holmes decision.

I don't think anyone is saying Holmes should reach for a QB. Only that if he believes in one who is available, now is the perfect time to take him with the extra high pick and the ability to have that player sit behind Goff for a year. If Holmes doesn't believe in anyone, then he definitely shouldn't reach for one. Either way, I firmly believe Goff will be the starter in 2023. The question for me is will his backup be his future cheaper successor, or will that person be picked up down the road longer.

I'm here 100%. I trust Holmes to make the decision. If Stroud or Levis is the guy, they have the ability to sit for a year and step in in 2024 and free up a bunch of cap space. (It also would give us a higher upside backup in 2023 in case Goff went down.) If Holmes doesn't believe in them, then load up the defense. Either way, Holmes has earned my trust so far.

Joe is gone. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/braves-acquire-joe-jimenez-from-tigers.html

Maybe not 🤣

Ohio Sate 42 Michigan 17

So in the last 33 years we’ve non-tendered 38 players. 7 (18 pct) of them were this year

And Day for some reason kept running WR screens that went nowhere when the chunk passes were there all game. Day’s first half play calling left a lot to be desired IMO.

Yes, that is a big clarification. As a hitter I have a hard time saying anyone but Cobb and maybe Greenberg.

Players are removed from the 60 day IL at some point after the season can't be put back on until sometime around spring training - in other words, they will count against the 40 man for the Rule 5 status. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/why-isnt-the-60-day-dl-year-round/

They already would make more money by joining the Big 10. I think it’s inevitable they do, the question is when.

see above.. Today was supposedly much better for Okudah and the rest.

P Meadows also could also be close. Colt Keith likely would have been at AA if not for his injury. Most of the other guys that were due to be moved up were about 2 weeks ago when this years draft picks joined.

I was only 9 at the time, but was at the Double Header when they retired Greenberg and Gehringer’s numbers. How I wish I had kept the poster they gave out rather than hanging it in my “fort”.

ND does have permanent lighting.