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They have to have a challenge left. You only get 2 incorrect ones per game.

In the minors I think there’s been a pretty large amount of both. For hitters it’s probably more avoiding strike 3 than getting ball 4 though.

Yeah, but that was before Skubal was what he is. I think it’s arguable who’s better of Cease or Flaherty on the market, but expect Cease to get something around 3 for $70 while Flaherty may be fortunate to get 2 for $40 if he doesn’t take the QO.

I wonder if he's being coy, as if he came out and said "Our guys needed a break and this gave us longer than a time out with a microscopic chance of something being found to overturn the play" the league would begin to look into the policy.

I agree completely. If Harris were to trade Skubal and basically kill the forward momentum, how could it not hurt significantly the vibe the team has developed since August 2024. That willingness to do whatever is asked of them is a huge part of why the team has played better than most expected and advanced in the playoffs 2 straight years. You tell them, you’re not good enough so we’re going to trade away our best chance of competing in 2026 and don’t think there will be consequences? Once that trust is broken, it’s almost impossible to get back. We’re not just talking about Skubal the pitcher, we are talking about the entire vibe, belief, and doing whatever helps the team being affected. It’s different even than if Skubal would get injured. Then teams often rise up to compensate. But if you feel the organization doesn’t believe enough in you as a group and took away your chances, that is another story altogether. And don’t think it wouldn’t be a factor trying to sign guys whose top priority is winning, knowing management is willing to halt the momentum that is building for the hope that down the road, the prospects we got in return for the best pitcher in baseball may help us win.

I think we showed this year that we have every opportunity to get to the LCS and the team that took 15 innings to beat us in game 5 was 9 outs away from the World Series. So yes, I do think we have a chance - obviously not as good as the Dodgers, but we showed throughout the season and postseason that we can compete with anyone and having the best pitcher in baseball at the top of the rotation gives a fighting chance. If the Rangers and Diamondbacks a couple years back could be in the World Series, our team with Skubal can get hot and do it.

That would be an awful rule for the mlb IMO. I can see why an exhibition team does it, but it would completely distort the game. It's already hard enough for hitters, let alone, if they foul one off they have to worry about a fan getting them out?

FYI, I think most of the posters on here, especially ones like Lee look at those same sites you do, and we all see the same things, no matter what the metrics say, you have numerous cases like Vaughn and Tork. It does mean they will likely be solid major leaguers, but even the top metric guys usually have multiple seasons before they become consistent "studs". Thinking all 3, even 2 of the 3 are going to be that within 2 seasons, let alone 1, is very wishful thinking. FYI, the metrics love our current prospects including Lee and Rainer also.

I’m sorry, but I think you completely overate other teams prospects. Did you see what Painter did this year? He realistically has a chance in 5 years to have 1 season 80% as good as Skubal did this year. He’s a really good pitching prospect, but probably rated better last year (like Jobe). The league is littered with top pitching prospects who never become what Casey Mize was this year. I’d love to have Painter in our system, but he (or the Mets pitchers) is far from the sure thing you act like he is.

Fixed it for you

I think Dingler, Carpenter, Greene, and Tork are above average and would be regulars (500 plus PA’s) on most playoff teams. Obviously if they resign Torres he would be also. And I think McKinstry would likely get 400 plus PA’s on a lot of this year’s playoff teams as well. This team as constructed with Skubal are the favorites for the Central in 2026. By 2027 McGonigle and Clark should be here (McGonigle likely in 2026). Who know maybe Lee or Anderson will surprise also. Not to mention the other prospects at AA and below.

This is where we extremely disagree. I don’t think keeping Skubal and losing him sets us up for 10 years of baseball purgatory. Our system is much better than the Angels you keep referencing. They also had/have their end of career Miggy.

When they are to 2 top 10 teams by a total of 4 points, they should - as long as they win out.

Of the 3 you mention, I actually think Tork has the best opportunity as it currently stands to fit Harris' mold, especially when the challenge system is in effect. I think his walk rates will increase significantly and hopefully his eye that is currently almost too good actually becomes an asset.

I think there is close to zero chance we pursue Tucker. Unless we trade Greene or Carpenter, our corner OF are occupied, and being a LH bat, he doesn't help those splits. Add in the fact that I think he still gets 8-10 years when all is said and done, I don't think he's an option. I see them making a play for Kim or another shot at Bregman (think it's doubtful) before I see them pursuing Tucker.

Yeah, no thanks for me to any of those. They definitely make the team worse next year, which if this was 2023 or even deadline 2024, it’s a different story, but where this team is now, no thank you.

Look at what Snell got and look at his number of starts. Or even Glasgow

Well, the Mariners are glad they have Suarez tonight.

And Maeda’s stats prior to signing were pretty good. Flaherty before first signing they weren’t and it worked great. This year his prior year numbers were really good and it didn’t work out as well (although his metrics were still good) I do wish the Tigers would have added Jax or Bednar to go with Finnegan and would have been willing to go big on Joe Ryan, but I’m glad they didn’t trade for Suarez (or Bednar) if it would have cost Melton. A number of people would like us to go after Cease (I’d be happy with that), but based on numbers and metrics, is he much different than Flaherty? Personally ,I’d like us to have both if we can keep Jack for the qualifying offer.

But you just said only the results on the field matter. The results on the field show the Tigers got one of the best relievers traded and the only position players that performed better than who was on their team didn’t fit i.e Naylor.

So then the Tigers shouldn't have traded for any of the names you listed in your earlier post?

I doubt he leaves, but $15 mil isn’t much of a buyout for PSU to pay if they really want him and is willing to pay him $13 mil/yr

The casinos didn’t do that over $450k.

Thank you. I'm surprised they did that with Urquidy since his option seemed reasonable for a flyer at SP - especially when they gave Cobb what they did. I guess if either one is chosen, it means they can then protect someone else.

So does a successor contract mean they will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft?