Gun Legislation, Crime, and Events

[MichiganCardinal]

Conservatives searching for a motive:

[MichiganCardinal]

And for the record, because I haven’t chimed in yet, I’m sad Charlie Kirk is dead.

This country is a scary, hyper-polarized place right now, and it’s full of guns. Kirk’s death doesn’t make any of those things better. He was an orator with a loud microphone. Nothing more or less. He didn’t deserve to die in front of his wife and kids for it.

[oblong]

I think 99.99% of the general public agrees with you but the 25,000 adults in the US who don’t have an internet presence. 

[gehringer_2]

51 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Conservatives searching for a motive:

Ironically, the former does exactly help make the latter possible. 

Condition someone to always just accept doctrine, then suddenly remove the constraints  - and the moral reasoning muscle is deeply atrophied. It may go in a lot of wrong directions before it ever (hopefully) does find its ground. I know all the modern understanding about young brains, but all the more reason they should start being challenged with taking moral responsibility for themselves early, when the stakes are still low and they can learn their own way. I always thought Judaism was onto to something then they told a 13yr old it was time to grow up and start taking responsibility for yourself. If you are 13 with half an ounce of sense, you can figure out what is right and wrong for yourself if given the chance. But that's what too many parents are afraid or, or are being taught to be afraid of by the people they allow themselves to be led by.

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[pfife]

It would be awesome if x posts didn't embed here.

[pfife]

The Cnn that employs tapper?

Try reality

 

[mtutiger]

8 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

And for the record, because I haven’t chimed in yet, I’m sad Charlie Kirk is dead.

This country is a scary, hyper-polarized place right now, and it’s full of guns. Kirk’s death doesn’t make any of those things better. He was an orator with a loud microphone. Nothing more or less. He didn’t deserve to die in front of his wife and kids for it.

Agreed in full.

Again, nobody is "celebrating" his death

[oblong]

It just comes down to the fact that conservatives are so brainwashed and spoon fed and sheltered that any statement not in full compliance with their beliefs is seen as confrontational and that extends to saying things like celebrating or mocking.  Their brains can’t process context  everything has to be an absolute. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

It just comes down to the fact that conservatives are so brainwashed and spoon fed and sheltered that any statement not in full compliance with their beliefs is seen as confrontational and that extends to saying things like celebrating or mocking.  Their brains can’t process context  everything has to be an absolute. 

Because their particular strain of religion demands absolute certainty and zero compromise. It’s all related and of a kind.

Edited Saturday at 01:35 PM by chasfh

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Ironically, the former does exactly help make the latter possible. 

Condition someone to always just accept doctrine, then suddenly remove the constraints  - and the moral reasoning muscle is deeply atrophied. It may go in a lot of wrong directions before it ever (hopefully) does find its ground. I know all the modern understanding about young brains, but all the more reason they should start being challenged with taking moral responsibility for themselves early, when the stakes are still low and they can learn their own way. I always thought Judaism was onto to something then they told a 13yr old it was time to grow up and start taking responsibility for yourself. If you are 13 with half an ounce of sense, you can figure out what is right and wrong for yourself if given the chance. But that's what too many parents are afraid or, or are being taught to be afraid of by the people they allow themselves to be led by.

This gets me to wondering how much failed helicopter parenting has to do with this, if anything. Hypothetically, I can envision where many parents believe it’s going to be as easy as pushing buttons to control their kids growing up—then, when the kids reach the age of pushing back, the parents don’t know how to handle that (perhaps because their own parents didn’t model effective parenting for them), they freak out at the pushback, then go 100% hands off, leaving the kids to their own devices for basically the rest of their childhoods, while the failed parents simply focus on their own interests. How common is that, I wonder.

Edited Saturday at 01:25 PM by chasfh

[Tigermojo]

I think a lot of these shooters are simply copycats. They idolize previous shooters and they want the infamy. The families may not even know about their obsession.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Because their particular strain of religion demands absolute certainty and zero compromise. It’s all related and of a kind.

There are all kinds of studies out there to purport to show that conservatives and liberals have fundamentally different psychological profiles that draw them to various institutions that match those profiles. I guess there is always some level of chicken/egg question with those kinds of conclusions. 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Because their particular strain of religion demands absolute certainty and zero compromise. It’s all related and of a kind.

Precisely.  I once told a fundamentalist friend about how “weird” Christianity is when you think about it. I was complimenting their faith.  Meaning the definition of the word itself. When you spend your whole life in a belief system then it crosses into common sense territory.  You become numb to it. Of course Jesus died then one again. But step away for a minute and try to focus on how strange that is. They thought I was being sacrilegious or confrontational. It was the opposite actually but they get scared when you second guess.   

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

Precisely.  I once told a fundamentalist friend about how “weird” Christianity is when you think about it. I was complimenting their faith.  Meaning the definition of the word itself. When you spend your whole life in a belief system then it crosses into common sense territory.  You become numb to it. Of course Jesus died then one again. But step away for a minute and try to focus on how strange that is. They thought I was being sacrilegious or confrontational. It was the opposite actually but they get scared when you second guess.   

I think that might be because they are actually afraid of what God will do to them once they put any critical thought into it. Critical thought is the diametric opposite of faith, and as such threatens the very foundation of faith. It's why many fundamentalist people are suspicious of the very idea of education itself, even starting with grade school, but certainly at levels beyond that when young adults begin to be exposed to previously unencountered ideas. Ideas threaten God.

[oblong]

I remember how it came about. We were going on about Scientology.  Then I threw in…. “Well but….”

I go with Bill Burrs take on why Scientology is weird.  Speaking of Hubbard “this guy has a drivers license”.   Meaning it started not that long ago. 

[oblong]

[chasfh]

17 hours ago, oblong said:

As seen on Kash Patel's desk:

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:54 PM by chasfh

[Deleterious]

That backfired.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

Well look at that…. I guess we can back off the right wing conspiracy. 

 

[pfife]

Lol

[pfife]

Breaking news:  a person who didnt shoot Charles Kirk is trans.

Checkmate libs

[Tigeraholic1]

JUST IN: Tyler Robinson's mother expressed concern that her son had become left-leaning, pro-gay, and pro-trans in the last year. 

Utah County DA Jeff Gray also confirmed the etched inscriptions on the bullet casings.

"Robinson's mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson. Robinson's father agreed."

"Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented."

"She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders."

[Tigermojo]

Pretty scary to think it took him about a week to decide to carry out his attack. He thought he was going to get away with it. I jumped to conclusions about the groyper theory.

I think the answer is we should be more accepting and respectful of each other.

[pfife]

I remember when Fox news told me the 2020 Election was stolen and then they paid 775m because they lied about it.   Hard pass.