Week Eleven: Jacksonville Jaguars (2-8) @ Detroit Lions (8-1)

[Sports_Freak]

3 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Yeah, 1000 yards = 71.4 yards per game

Now it's 58.8 yards per game, which isn't very eye-opening

In order to equal what 1,000 yards was then it's 1,214 yards

Plus now, it's more about All Purpose yards with how often running backs catch passes compared to then. 

And to think...OJ Simpson got over 2000 yards rushing in 1973 in 14 games. That would be over 2400 yards in a 17 game season. Amazing.

[Sports_Freak]

Lmao;

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Besides a win, all I want to see is Goff bounce right back after a very subpar game last week against Houston. We were lucky that our defense and special teams kept us in it and were able to deliver a win. I'm sure we'll beat Jacksonville in the end, but I want to do it because Goff played better and returned to form.

[Shinzaki]

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

And to think...OJ Simpson got over 2000 yards rushing in 1973 in 14 games. That would be over 2400 yards in a 17 game season. Amazing.

OJ was amazing ...I recall watching that game against the Jets when he got to 2000.  It was a mind boggling accomplishment.  

[lordstanley]

OJ had an all-time slash line of 61/11236/2
TDs, rushing yards and, ahem. 

[MichiganCardinal]

6 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Besides a win, all I want to see is Goff bounce right back after a very subpar game last week against Houston. We were lucky that our defense and special teams kept us in it and were able to deliver a win. I'm sure we'll beat Jacksonville in the end, but I want to do it because Goff played better and returned to form.

I think the stats paint a worse picture than he actually performed Sunday Night. He was bad, but he wasn't dreadful like 15/30 for 240 yards, 2 TDs, and 5 INTs looks. The first two picks were both deflected, which - in an ideal world, passes aren't getting deflected, yes - but I still think there is a BABIP element of luck there. The third was a Hail Mary that doesn't get thrown if time isn't expiring. It's just the last two, both in the 3rd quarter, that I would say are on Goff. The 4th was a good decision and a terrible throw, if he hits LaPorta in stride it's probably 1st and Goal if not a touchdown. And the 5th was just a blunder. He had Jamo in single coverage as his first look, but Jamo wasn't ready for it. Goff just threw it up there as if Jamo was Calvin and could just jump up and grab anything in the zip code. Bizarro.

From that point on though, really for the last 18 minutes of the game, he was the Goff we've come to know and love. He made a beautiful floating over the shoulder check down to Gibbs late in the 3rd that went for 33, and made the throws he needed to to put Bates in a position to win that game. From that throw I mentioned on, he was 7/9 for 79 yards and a touchdown.

I don't expect any hangover, I think we will see MVP Goff again.

[Tenacious D]

[sagnam]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think the stats paint a worse picture than he actually performed Sunday Night. He was bad, but he wasn't dreadful like 15/30 for 240 yards, 2 TDs, and 5 INTs looks. The first two picks were both deflected, which - in an ideal world, passes aren't getting deflected, yes - but I still think there is a BABIP element of luck there. The third was a Hail Mary that doesn't get thrown if time isn't expiring. It's just the last two, both in the 3rd quarter, that I would say are on Goff. The 4th was a good decision and a terrible throw, if he hits LaPorta in stride it's probably 1st and Goal if not a touchdown. And the 5th was just a blunder. He had Jamo in single coverage as his first look, but Jamo wasn't ready for it. Goff just threw it up there as if Jamo was Calvin and could just jump up and grab anything in the zip code. Bizarro.

From that point on though, really for the last 18 minutes of the game, he was the Goff we've come to know and love. He made a beautiful floating over the shoulder check down to Gibbs late in the 3rd that went for 33, and made the throws he needed to to put Bates in a position to win that game. From that throw I mentioned on, he was 7/9 for 79 yards and a touchdown.

I don't expect any hangover, I think we will see MVP Goff again.

Dan Campbell on Jared Goff: No concern over five INTs, he didn’t play a bad game

[Sports_Freak]

6 hours ago, sagnam said:

Dan Campbell on Jared Goff: No concern over five INTs, he didn’t play a bad game

Not just that but his last pick was at the Houston 2 yard line. Our defense held them, they punted and we got the ball back at around midfield. And then we scored a TD. So that pick was like a great punt.

[Motown Bombers]

[Motown Bombers]

9 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think the stats paint a worse picture than he actually performed Sunday Night. He was bad, but he wasn't dreadful like 15/30 for 240 yards, 2 TDs, and 5 INTs looks. The first two picks were both deflected, which - in an ideal world, passes aren't getting deflected, yes - but I still think there is a BABIP element of luck there. The third was a Hail Mary that doesn't get thrown if time isn't expiring. It's just the last two, both in the 3rd quarter, that I would say are on Goff. The 4th was a good decision and a terrible throw, if he hits LaPorta in stride it's probably 1st and Goal if not a touchdown. And the 5th was just a blunder. He had Jamo in single coverage as his first look, but Jamo wasn't ready for it. Goff just threw it up there as if Jamo was Calvin and could just jump up and grab anything in the zip code. Bizarro.

From that point on though, really for the last 18 minutes of the game, he was the Goff we've come to know and love. He made a beautiful floating over the shoulder check down to Gibbs late in the 3rd that went for 33, and made the throws he needed to to put Bates in a position to win that game. From that throw I mentioned on, he was 7/9 for 79 yards and a touchdown.

I don't expect any hangover, I think we will see MVP Goff again.

I think the last INT was a miscommunication. It looked like Goff expected Williams to run a post route, but he flattened his route. 

[RandyMarsh]

To me it was actually some of the non interpretations that worried me more. He missed quite a few easy throws that he normally makes.

There were more than 1 just at St.Brown that weren't even close(they weren't throwaways either) and another couple where St.Brown had to pluck below his knees to get to. 

Also I know he isn't known for throwing the tightest spiral but some in that game were especially wobbly, hell the one to LaPorta was so bad the announcers thought it was tipped at the line of scrimmage.

All this to say as long as there isn't something physically wrong with him that he is hiding I'm not concerned though, guys have off games, even great ones so until proven otherwise that's what I'm chalking it up as.

[Motor City Sonics]

8 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Who gives a **** what he says.   That dude knows next to nothing about anything outside the NBA and he is completely unwatchable with all the shouting.   He ruined ESPN. 

[Motor City Sonics]

48 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Gee, if we have a weak spot in the next few years and a good player that might take a little bit of a paycut to try to get a ring, it's that kind of stuff that will resonate.  

[Motor City Sonics]

Not worried about Goff.   Two passes were tipped, the other was a throw punt and yes, he made some bad throws.   But if you can get away with a clunker like that and win.......... 

Besides, when the game was on the line and they needed passes completed he was back to his old self.   

People just look for reasons with Quarterbacks, Goalies and Closers, don't they?  

I really doubt Goff plays like that again.  Having a game like that can actually be a good thing going forward. 

[Motor City Sonics]

I don't think they lose this one, but down the stretch I feel like they need to lose one that they shouldn't for them to kind of re-focus.   Sometimes that can help.  

 

[RedRamage]

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Not just that but his last pick was at the Houston 2 yard line. Our defense held them, they punted and we got the ball back at around midfield. And then we scored a TD. So that pick was like a great punt.

Found a video breaking down the 5 INTs. Not sure how accurate the analysis is, but you can see all 5 INTs here.

First was on a screen pass that Houston seemed to have sniffed out. A defender makes and perfectly timed jump to tip the pass and another defender makes an incredible diving play to get the INT. At best 10% Goff's fault.

Second was on a play where the a defender ran around out left tackle, hit Goff has he threw the ball bounces off a couple of lineman and takes a fluke bounce right into the hands of another defender running up towards the play. I'd say maybe 2% Goff's fault.

Third was a Hail Mary at the end of the half. Yeah there was a good chance that it would get intercepted, but that's understood... it's Low Risk, High Reward. It's low risk because it's the end of the half. Best case you score. Worst case the defense gets an INT and runs the ball ALL the way back for a score (EXTREMELY unlikely). Most likely the play ends with no score and then it doesn't matter one bit how the play ended. INT? Incomplete? Caught but downed outside of the EZ? Functionally it's all the same. 0% Goff's fault.

Fourth was a deep ball to Jamo where it doesn't seem like Jamo was expecting the ball at all. It wasn't a great thrown by Goff but again Jamo just doesn't seem like he's expecting it... he's certainly not looking for it until way too late. Without knowing more about if Jamo didn't run a good route or if Goff's pass didn't go exactly where he wanted it or what it's hard to assign blame, so I'm gonna go with 50-50 on Goff, but then error on the side of over blaming: 60% Goff's fault.

Fifth was a medium range pass to LaPorta. The video narrator points out that LaPorta ran into some contact from the defenders and so his route was slowed down and Goff didn't take that into account when he threw the ball. This seems valid and so I'm going to mostly assign the blame here to Goff. Again erroring on the side of over blaming: 90% Goff's fault.

So, by my scientifically rigorous evaluation of Goff's Interceptions, he's 32.4% to blame on average. So really Goff only threw one and a half interceptions in the game.

[sagnam]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I don't think they lose this one, but down the stretch I feel like they need to lose one that they shouldn't for them to kind of re-focus.   Sometimes that can help.  

 

Only need to refocus if they lose focus.

[sagnam]

2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

To me it was actually some of the non interpretations that worried me more. He missed quite a few easy throws that he normally makes.

There were more than 1 just at St.Brown that weren't even close(they weren't throwaways either) and another couple where St.Brown had to pluck below his knees to get to. 

Also I know he isn't known for throwing the tightest spiral but some in that game were especially wobbly, hell the one to LaPorta was so bad the announcers thought it was tipped at the line of scrimmage.

All this to say as long as there isn't something physically wrong with him that he is hiding I'm not concerned though, guys have off games, even great ones so until proven otherwise that's what I'm chalking it up as.

Random guess. Maybe he spent so much effort getting comfortable throwing with a glove for GB the week before that things were off without a glove.

[Sports_Freak]

38 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Found a video breaking down the 5 INTs. Not sure how accurate the analysis is, but you can see all 5 INTs here.

First was on a screen pass that Houston seemed to have sniffed out. A defender makes and perfectly timed jump to tip the pass and another defender makes an incredible diving play to get the INT. At best 10% Goff's fault.

Second was on a play where the a defender ran around out left tackle, hit Goff has he threw the ball bounces off a couple of lineman and takes a fluke bounce right into the hands of another defender running up towards the play. I'd say maybe 2% Goff's fault.

Third was a Hail Mary at the end of the half. Yeah there was a good chance that it would get intercepted, but that's understood... it's Low Risk, High Reward. It's low risk because it's the end of the half. Best case you score. Worst case the defense gets an INT and runs the ball ALL the way back for a score (EXTREMELY unlikely). Most likely the play ends with no score and then it doesn't matter one bit how the play ended. INT? Incomplete? Caught but downed outside of the EZ? Functionally it's all the same. 0% Goff's fault.

Fourth was a deep ball to Jamo where it doesn't seem like Jamo was expecting the ball at all. It wasn't a great thrown by Goff but again Jamo just doesn't seem like he's expecting it... he's certainly not looking for it until way too late. Without knowing more about if Jamo didn't run a good route or if Goff's pass didn't go exactly where he wanted it or what it's hard to assign blame, so I'm gonna go with 50-50 on Goff, but then error on the side of over blaming: 60% Goff's fault.

Fifth was a medium range pass to LaPorta. The video narrator points out that LaPorta ran into some contact from the defenders and so his route was slowed down and Goff didn't take that into account when he threw the ball. This seems valid and so I'm going to mostly assign the blame here to Goff. Again erroring on the side of over blaming: 90% Goff's fault.

So, by my scientifically rigorous evaluation of Goff's Interceptions, he's 32.4% to blame on average. So really Goff only threw one and a half interceptions in the game.

The pick that bothered me the most was the deep ball he threw when he had Gibbs in the flat, wide open and nobody near him for 10 or 20 yards or so. That easily could have been a TD. Horrible Goff decision, 100% on him.

[MichiganCardinal]

 

I don't expect LaPorta to go, because we should not need him Sunday anyway. Decker is trending in the right direction. Concerning to see Iffy go back to limited though.

[Motown Bombers]

Probably just have to cut your losses with Melfonwu. He showed promise last year, but he is too unreliable. 

[chasfh]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:02 AM, lordstanley said:

As a target, Lions' post-season schedule?

-Bye

-vs. Atlanta

-vs. Philadelphia

- Buffalo (neutral field)

Buffalo over Chiefs?

[chasfh]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:05 PM, RedRamage said:

Okay, yeah, technically it'll be a neutral field... but if the Lions make the SB I expect it to be the most lopsided crowd in a long time. First, I suspect there will be a LOT of Lions fans who put up the big bucks to go. How many years have we been waiting? Second, I suspect the Lions would be the preferred rooting interest of most of the fans of the other 30 teams that aren't there.

Totally agree. Even setting aside the fact that they are the only legacy team to not yet make the Super Bowl and it's been, in fact, 67 years since the last championship at all, this particular group of coaches and players are just so damn lovable.

I remember the last time we thought there was a ghost of a chance we could go deep into the playoffs, I think it was 2011, and I was looking forward to having the country root for us as an underdog franchise, and Ndamukong Suh started acting out like a ****ing jerk, establishing himself as basically the dirtiest player in the NFL by stomping on that Packers player on TG of all games, and I thought, welp, there goes any chance that anyone outside Detroit is rooting for us.

[chasfh]

On 11/14/2024 at 7:30 AM, RandyMarsh said:

To me it was actually some of the non interpretations that worried me more. He missed quite a few easy throws that he normally makes.

Yeah, and Giff also spiked at least half a dozen throws, and not always because his guys were completely covered.