Trumps Presidency 2025

[GalagaGuy]

Just now, mtutiger said:

I believe in due process and believe that sending people who aren't from South Sudan to South Sudan is a bunch of bull****. Regardless of whatever the Supreme Court, of Trump v. US fame, thinks. 

You did, but that account was from Garcia, who you accused of lying.

Do you think Garcia's account of keeping him up past the point of exhaustion, forcing him to kneel between the hours 2100 and 0600, striking them when they fall, and denying him bathroom access / allowing themselves to soil himself was a case of him lying?

You don't believe in due process, you believe you're right about everything and flippantly dismiss court rulings you don't agree with.  Their own country won't even take them back and you still can't seem to figure out why the USA wouldn't want to keep them. 

To say it again, I don't believe a damn thing that Garcia says unless there is proof to back it up.  Obviously the guy is going to say whatever he can to garner sympathy.  

Just be honest here, you believe in open borders and that the USA shouldn't have any immigration laws at all. 

[mtutiger]

Just now, GalagaGuy said:

You don't believe in due process, you believe you're right about everything and flippantly dismiss court rulings you don't agree with. 

After watching the last year, why should any of us trust the Supreme Court?

Honest question. 

1 minute ago, GalagaGuy said:

To say it again, I don't believe a damn thing that Garcia says unless there is proof to back it up. 

"I believe I've already said that CECOT is most likely not a nice place to be."

What do you think CECOT is.... and explain to me why Garcia or his lawyers might be lying to me. 

Honest question, really try to convince me.

[mtutiger]

8 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

After watching the last year, why should any of us trust the Supreme Court?

For what it's worth, and @Tiger337 knows this because of some of the arguments we have had, it pains me to ask this question. 

I am an institutionalist at heart, but man, I have a lost a lot of faith in this country since that ruling (just barely one year ago). In a lot of ways, it doesn't feel like the same country anymore. 

Edited yesterday at 03:03 AM by mtutiger

[GalagaGuy]

15 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

After watching the last year, why should any of us trust the Supreme Court?

Honest question. 

"I believe I've already said that CECOT is most likely not a nice place to be."

What do you think CECOT is.... and explain to me why Garcia or his lawyers might be lying to me. 

Honest question, really try to convince me.

You think you're a better judge of the way things should be than the Supreme Court so why would I waste my time trying to convince you of anything?

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

You think you're a better judge of the way things should be than the Supreme Court so why would I waste my time trying to convince you of anything?

Not sure if you're a Calvin and Hobbes guy, but their rulings remind me a lot of Calvinball at this point.

And it's a shame. Institutions, if they cared about rules (ie. The Constitution, precedent), would work to adhere to those things above all else. And they haven't. 

Your question is a fair one.... if you have a trust in an institution and someone else has lost trust in that same institution, I don't know how you resolve that.

[Hongbit]

2 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

Because their home countries refuse to take them.  Why are you advocating for murderers and child rapists? 

 

2 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

Those 8 men being deported to South Sudan have all been convicted of serious crimes, some of them murder and child sex crimes.  They are being sent to South Sudan because their home countries have refused to take them.

It's absolutely nuts to me that you're clutching your pearls over murderers and pedophiles getting deported. 

You’ve got to get with the times.  You can’t just say all murder and child rape is bad anymore.  It needs to be qualified.

If you are an illegal immigrant there should be no expectation of protection from either of these crimes.   You have no rights here and and it probably should no longer be a crime if you are murdered or child raped.   This is the new America and everyone is no longer equal under the law.

[mtutiger]

Ahh yes, Shylocks and bad people... definitely no antisemitism going on here lol

[pfife]

Its obvious that any poaster here except magatownbummers would be better ar judging anything than the scotus is

[pfife]

Its like being a better nfl gm than matt millen

[ewsieg]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

All due respect, most of the rest of us could see very clearly that it was always coming to this, that it was only about the super rich getting the money and the rest of us getting the shaft. How many recent “respectable” Republican presidents (and Clinton) provided the uber-rich generous tax cuts while ballooning the deficit at the same time? It’s true—you can easily look it up. Here, I’ll even get you started on the first one: https://www.cbpp.org/research/the-legacy-of-the-2001-and-2003-bush-tax-cuts.

The main thing that makes the Trump tax cuts different is that added feature of cruelty to poor people for sport.

The tax rate change is the least offensive part of this bill and cutting taxes does not correlate to deficit in a vacuum.  Had to look up the numbers to refresh my memory after seeing in your link that the Bush tax cuts increased debt by 5.6 trillion by 2018, but the Bush tax cuts were part of his campaign that he saw through, despite 9/11 which increased our military spending of 5.8 trillion which is what we spent on Iraq/Afghanistan.  Granted that didn't end until 2021, but i'm guessing most of that money was spent between 2001-2018, likely making it a wash.  Should Bush have moved forward with another tax cut in 2003, probably not, but if not for those wars, sounds like Bush's legacy would have included that he may have had a small deficit or surplus and essentially plateau our debt.   GDP expanded under bush by roughly 4 trillion a year, so as a percent of debt Bush would have dropped that from 54.5% to 39.9% if 9/11 never happens.  

This definitely is going to be cruel, but not just to the poor either.  Rural middle class and wealthy, aka Trump voters, will realize that good medical insurance doesn't matter if you don't have a hospital near you.  

Right now my biggest concern might be related to AI.  I do think whoever leads in AI, especially early on, will have better outcome on whatever an AI driven world looks like.  We started in the pole position with the largest economy, with the best higher education, and the best minds (from all over the world) that want to learn here.  The federal law enforcement money gives a clear indication that even if you want to come here to learn, you're not really welcome.  We may still allow student visas, but we're not welcoming.  AI is going to require energy.  A lot of it.  Add in despite what Trump is doing, electric vehicles are the future, it might slow down, but they are the future still.  So we really need to increase our energy and this bill does so much to **** on renewables, not just promote them anymore, but to actively discourage them.  This is what is going to hurt the next generation, the only question is how much.

 

 

[ewsieg]

6 hours ago, mtutiger said:

The way this is going to mess with Medicaid is going to cause a lot of stress, and it will absolutely result in hospitals in rural areas closing. That's pretty much baked in.

God have mercy on their souls, because I do not.

Kind of agree, kind of don't.  Hate to see someone suffer, even if you can point back to Trump and feel like they caused it.  The fact is, political leaders of both parties and all state and all federal levels never found a good solution to help rural America when we switched to a service economy.  Trump is their riot.  A lot of republicans looked at issues with minorities and saw their riots and were fine saying "Whelp, they did it to themselves."  I suspect democrats as a whole will do the same if we do indeed see rural communities suffer more.  Would be nice if someone broke the cycle and tried to help instead of ignore.

[ewsieg]

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I believe in due process and believe that sending people who aren't from South Sudan to South Sudan is a bunch of bull****. Regardless of whatever the Supreme Court, of Trump v. US fame, thinks. 

How long do you think South Sudan holds them once Trump decides he doesn't want to pay the bill?

Galaga doesn't realize due process isn't just about criminal, it's about the victims too.  If someone murders or rapes someone close to me, I want my day in court with them, regardless of what country they are from.  I want them to pay for their crimes they committed here and I want the punishment in my country where if bail or something like that comes up, I have a voice that matters still.  

Additionally I'm not 1st amendment auditor type, but I have been interested in some of their videos and they do have a point about needing to protect peoples rights and right now it's clear that there are people that should not be detained, getting detained, sometimes for months at a time before being released.  Our government, back when some people would say it was great, was built on principles from William Blackstone, who penned the famous line "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".

[1984Echoes]

5 hours ago, mtutiger said:

... In a lot of ways, it doesn't feel like the same country anymore. 

It's not.

This is now MAGA-land.

Dangerously similar/ close-to Nazi Germany.

[CMRivdogs]

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He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

[mtutiger]

5 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Kind of agree, kind of don't.  Hate to see someone suffer, even if you can point back to Trump and feel like they caused it.  The fact is, political leaders of both parties and all state and all federal levels never found a good solution to help rural America when we switched to a service economy.  Trump is their riot.  A lot of republicans looked at issues with minorities and saw their riots and were fine saying "Whelp, they did it to themselves."  I suspect democrats as a whole will do the same if we do indeed see rural communities suffer more.  Would be nice if someone broke the cycle and tried to help instead of ignore.

I won't, I can tell you that right now.

And I believe whoever comes after Trump has a moral obligation to attempt to fix the crisis that he's creating here.

[Tiger337]

11 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I won't, I can tell you that right now.

And I believe whoever comes after Trump has a moral obligation to attempt to fix the crisis that he's creating here.

I don't want to see anyone suffer and my bleeding heart will go out to MAGA if they suffer whether they played a role in their own suffering or not.  Being angry at someone for making poor decisions is not the same as wanting to see them suffer.  

[gehringer_2]

6 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Kind of agree, kind of don't.  Hate to see someone suffer, even if you can point back to Trump and feel like they caused it.  The fact is, political leaders of both parties and all state and all federal levels never found a good solution to help rural America when we switched to a service economy.  Trump is their riot.  A lot of republicans looked at issues with minorities and saw their riots and were fine saying "Whelp, they did it to themselves."  I suspect democrats as a whole will do the same if we do indeed see rural communities suffer more.  Would be nice if someone broke the cycle and tried to help instead of ignore.

the problem is human nature. The government has been pumping extra dollars into rural  and western America on a pretty continual basis since the depression, the problem is the people there don't want help, they want their old lives back, and that's something Uncle Sam can't give them. You may make America 'great again' but you will still never make it the America it once was, because there is no going back. The wold changes and it can't be unchanged. That doesn't mean you can make it better, but it will be different, and there are too many folks to whom that is still the problem.

Edited yesterday at 12:25 PM by gehringer_2

[RatkoVarda]

7 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Would be nice if someone broke the cycle and tried to help instead of ignore.

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

whoever comes after Trump has a moral obligation to attempt to fix the crisis that he's creating here.

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

the problem is the people there don't want help,

when (probably if) Dems are ever back in the White House, I think they will try (yet again) to help rural communities, like they have been for decades, and those communities will despise them for it and vote harder for MAGA

[Mr.TaterSalad]

9 hours ago, pfife said:

Its like being a better nfl gm than matt millen

I've always said it, Donald Trump is the Matt Millen of Presidents. 

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I've always said it, Donald Trump is the Matt Millen of Presidents. 

I’ve always said Donald Trump is the Bernie Madoff of Presidents.

[Motown Bombers]

Donald Trump is the Kenneth Copeland of presidents. He's what happens when prosperity gospel gets elected into government. 

[1984Echoes]

Donald Trump is America's combination Hugo Chavez/Mussolini president.

[Motown Bombers]

I've been working on some campaign texts for the 2026 election. I sent this text to John James for his thoughts:

John James backed plans to slash Medicaid, putting care for 2.5 million Michiganders — including kids and seniors — at risk. He supported tax giveaways for the ultra-wealthy that exploded the deficit by over $3 trillion. We can’t afford his agenda. This November, vote to protect healthcare — not corporate handouts.

Edited yesterday at 03:42 PM by Motown Bombers

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

Donald Trump is America's combination Hugo Chavez/Mussolini president.

I am going combine what you and Hongbit said.  It's Mussolini/Madoff.  

[Motown Bombers]