Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

victory has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan.

this could all change when we know more, but it looks like the local response that we often see in these cases "Blame the feds!" may not be true. 

I think the issue with the government is this: government works. full stop. it is worth it to have bridges not collapsing, food not poisoned, and natural disasters' death toll limited.

the DOGE issue is this: none of these morons have the required knowledge to know what is and what is not a good and efficient system. for example, I do not test raw chicken and meat at my home - I leave that the USDA inspectors. DOGE has no knowledge in this area at all.

Exactly.  Most people would agree that waste and corruption should be cut wherever possible.  However, the people making decisions do not know how to identify what is needed and not needed and they don't seem to care.  They are just indiscriminately whacking areas - like health care, science and education - that MAGA doesn't like.  

Edited Sunday at 05:57 PM by Tiger337

[chasfh]

On 7/3/2025 at 9:02 PM, Tiger337 said:

It's lower than that of native born Americans.  That includes undocumented immigrants.  

The crime rate among undocumented immigrants is much lower than that among documented immigrants, which itself is slightly lower than among American citizens.

[chasfh]

On 7/5/2025 at 6:52 AM, Motown Bombers said:

 

Did he also blame Democrats for gutting it? Because that would be totally on brand.

[Edman85]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html

You can copy and paste this for an office I'm familiar with if a plane goes down.

[chasfh]

On 7/5/2025 at 9:51 AM, Tigerbomb13 said:

Absolute nutcase. So is she saying the Trump admin geo engineered this?

I think she’d probably say the Democrats, academics, media, and/or George Soros did.

[chasfh]

On 7/5/2025 at 12:02 PM, Motown Bombers said:

 

Must have gotten a better offer in a part of the private sector that directly benefits from it.

[Tiger337]

53 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The crime rate among undocumented immigrants is much lower than that among documented immigrants, which itself is slightly lower than among American citizens.

Yes, I have read that and it makes a lot of sense.  I would think that undocumented immigrants would not want to bring attention to themselves.  

[Tigerbomb13]

[mtutiger]

5 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

victory has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan.

this could all change when we know more, but it looks like the local response that we often see in these cases "Blame the feds!" may not be true. 

I think the issue with the government is this: government works. full stop. it is worth it to have bridges not collapsing, food not poisoned, and natural disasters' death toll limited.

the DOGE issue is this: none of these morons have the required knowledge to know what is and what is not a good and efficient system. for example, I do not test raw chicken and meat at my home - I leave that the USDA inspectors. DOGE has no knowledge in this area at all.

This is a moment when the feds having a scintilla of credibility matters a lot. I'm of the belief that this is more about local leaders pushing blame off the feds... But this government since Trump took office has squandered a lot of credibility by indiscriminately slashing budgets. Including at the very agencies that exist to provide accurate weather information to the public.

It's the throughline to other discussions we have had on this board, including about immigration and deportations... But while disasters are a time when the federal government needs people to view them credibly, it's hard to blame anyone who has a hard time trusting the federal government right now. And that's a shame.

[mtutiger]

I would add that I caught a few clips of the press conference yesterday that Governor Abbott and other officials spoke at, including Kristi Noem... The amount of genuflecting toward the President at a time when people want details and information, it's just beyond words. 

Edited Sunday at 08:38 PM by mtutiger

[gehringer_2]

16 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Waste of protoplasm. It just keeps going back to how people can be so ignorant as to vote for these complete morons. But as was posted up thread, they are so culturally indoctrinated to see other side as some kind of satanic influence that they won't even engage on the merits of who they are voting for.

And more broadly, acceptance of religious based fatalism will surely doom the prospects for progress in any culture. The term I always heard from the old-worlders I grew up around was  "Inshallah"  - God's will. Well try not believing in a God that doesn't think you should use every brain cell he gave you  to make things better instead of accepting fate in ignorance.

Edited Sunday at 08:43 PM by gehringer_2

[Tigerbomb13]

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Waste of protoplasm. It just keeps going back to how people can be so ignorant as to vote for these complete morons. But as was posted up thread, they are so culturally indoctrinated to see other side as some kind of satanic influence that they won't even engage on the merits of who they are voting for.

The most useless speaker of the house. Just a waste of space. 

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

And more broadly, acceptance of religious based fatalism will surely doom the prospects for progress in any culture. The term I always heard from the old-worlders I grew up around was  "Inshallah"  - God's will. Well try not believing in a God that doesn't think you should use every brain cell he gave you  to make things better instead of accepting fate in ignorance.

I ran into this conversation shortly after the Minnesota shootings with a family member... Made a comment about how it might have been a left winger, and had to correct the comment. While they acknowledged they may have been wrong, when I commented about the fact that these guys lie through their teeth, lie as they breathe and that you cannot trust them (ie. GOP politicians, right wing radio), it ended up in some combination of "well, both sides are the same" and "nothing I can do, it's all in Jesus' hands"

To be clear, I am a Catholic who, while not attending as much as I should, tries my best to adhere to the faith. If anything I have moved back toward the church over the past year. But I have a wife and two kids and want more than anything else to hand them over a better situation than the one I had when I was a kid. I feel like I do my best within the things that I can control, but I see that sort of nihilism and it enrages me. It's selfish, and when you read Matthew in particular, you begin to wonder what these guys think Jesus would think of their nihilism.

Edited Sunday at 09:48 PM by mtutiger

[pfife]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Unfit to lead

[pfife]

Wait the MAGA speaker the Democrats saved for no reason sucks ass?!?!?!   WHO KNEW

[Tiger337]

Maybe they should have prayed before the floods killed everyone.  It's too late now.  I get that prayers actually do help some people cope with life, but prayers are very personal and not everyone believes in them.  You can't govern a country based on prayers.  

[GalagaGuy]

But Abbott issued a proclamation declaring today a "Day of Prayer" in Texas.  What else could you need? 

[MichiganCardinal]

It's just the double standard for me.

Did the cuts have something to do with the tragedy? Maybe. There is certainly a connection to be made between the cuts and NWS failing spectacularly. That said, meteorology has been a speculative science for its entire existence. I don't think it's dispositive at all to say that sans the cuts, they get this right far enough in advance to save all those lives. 

The thing is though, if the shoe were on the other foot, and Biden or Harris were in office, even without the cuts this would have been falling squarely at their feet.

Trump is held to a different standard because he's a dangerous idiot with a cult backing.

[mtutiger]

Flashback:

 

[mtutiger]

I've been on the sidelines of the Epstein stuff for the most part...

But an AG going out and saying there's a list, then contradicting themselves five months later?

That would be a career killer in any other administration 

[RatkoVarda]

28 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I've been on the sidelines of the Epstein stuff for the most part...

But an AG going out and saying there's a list, then contradicting themselves five months later?

That would be a career killer in any other administration 

Hillary had the list killed.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[GalagaGuy]

The absolute meltdown on Twitter over the Epstein conspiracy going up in smoke is hilarious.  

[chasfh]

18 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Waste of protoplasm. It just keeps going back to how people can be so ignorant as to vote for these complete morons. But as was posted up thread, they are so culturally indoctrinated to see other side as some kind of satanic influence that they won't even engage on the merits of who they are voting for.

And more broadly, acceptance of religious based fatalism will surely doom the prospects for progress in any culture. The term I always heard from the old-worlders I grew up around was  "Inshallah"  - God's will. Well try not believing in a God that doesn't think you should use every brain cell he gave you  to make things better instead of accepting fate in ignorance.

I think voters are willing to engage on the merits of candidates. I think it's just that their merit consideration set is completely different from mine, and probably from yours.

As for religious fatalism, you probably agree that's baked into the condition of being a person without any real power to change their circumstances. Yes, this is America and we tell ourselves we can do anything we want if we just put our minds to it, but two things: (1) having the strength of mind and available resources to overcome substantial obstacles in the service of doing anything you want are exceptional qualities, not normal qualities, so people who feel locked in to their circumstances need something else to believe in to get them through life, which religions based on afterlife provide; and (2) is that really true in America, anyway? Or at least any truer than in any one of several dozen other countries we could name? We've had caste systems calcified into our national DNA for over four centuries now. That's going to take additional effort to completely overcome, and there is strong opposition even to overcoming it.

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Maybe they should have prayed before the floods killed everyone.  It's too late now.  I get that prayers actually do help some people cope with life, but prayers are very personal and not everyone believes in them.  You can't govern a country based on prayers.  

Not everyone believes in prayer, it's true, but the religious belief predominating this particular government is dedicated to converting anyone and everyone who is not already in their fold, and that includes other Christian sects like Catholicism and mainline Protestantism that evangelicals consider barely Christian, if they are Christian at all. This I know from firsthand experience.

We should always remember that evangelical Christianity is nothing like a let-and-let-live proposition. It is very much us against them/you, and if we're not completely on their side, we're doomed, both here and in the hereafter. So they couldn't give less of a **** about the idea of accommodating you if you think prayer should not influence government.