Trumps Presidency 2025

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Dude, I get the dude is an asshat.  All I was simply objecting to was this specific statement from you.

The FBI is not an American domestic only law enforcement agency.  If Patel is not getting daily briefs on security involving the Olympics over the past several weeks, that would be an impeachable offense and far outweigh this silly beer guzzling embarrassment in the locker room.

Yes, not getting daily briefs on security involving the Olympics is not the kind of impeachable offense Kash Patel likes to engage in.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

Did anything change the narrative last night?   Did the he justify in the mind of independents why he had his goons kill Americans on the streets?  

His goal is not to court independents, never mind liberals. His goal is to mobilize red hats.

[pfife]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

I'll take a wine mom over a Nazi any day

There's a reason grindr's servers overload every time the GOP men get together.

Lol

The other part was the x poast called trumps speech optimistic lol

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

 

I'd rather have a wine mom than a racist pedophile who walks in on teenage girls changing at a beauty pageant and compares black people to apes on social media. Clearly you'd rather have a pedophile and a racist since you can never condemn Trump on anything, ever. Keep telling yourself that's chocolate pudding on the bottom of his boot though.

[RatkoVarda]

Trump is a rapist.

[mtutiger]

33 minutes ago, pfife said:

Lol

The other part was the x poast called trumps speech optimistic lol

Optimistic? Hahaha, that's incredible

Don't believe your lying eyes folks, Katie Pavlich (who?) says it was "optimistic"

[Hongbit]

27 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'd rather have a wine mom than a racist pedophile who walks in on teenage girls changing at a beauty pageant and compares black people to apes on social media. Clearly you'd rather have a pedophile and a racist since you can never condemn Trump on anything, ever. Keep telling yourself that's chocolate pudding on the bottom of his boot though.

Honestly, what purpose did this post serve.  He doesn’t want to debate or discuss with you.

Nothing you say will resonate with him.  He wants exactly the response that you just gave him.  He loves that he’s bothered you to the extent that you took the time to reply.

He will continue to post incendiary tweets and his own hateful ideas as long as people engage with him.    

If nobody responds to it then he will eventually get bored and move on to troll libs somewhere else.  

Edited 6 hours ago by Hongbit

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Why bother? He'd just be replaced by another red hat athlete.

Most professional athletes, especially the white American ones, are ardent red hats. If you want to be a fan of big-time sports, you can't allow yourself to set a bar of no MAGA ever for your teams because you can't ever have that. Either disassociate the player from his ideology, or give up following big-time sports. Simple as that. You're rooting for the player, not the person. Difference.

Along the same lines... movie stars and musicians.  Maybe not so much movie stars because we don't "see" them and their work is not really them, it's part of an ensemble of art others created.  But if you find yourself jamming to a song from the 50's until maybe 10 years ago when we got smarter about this.. you might not be happy to know what they've done.

Unless someone explicitly does a certain thing I'm not getting wrapped up in it.   I will cheer for Larkin like I've always done.  

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, oblong said:

Along the same lines... movie stars and musicians.  Maybe not so much movie stars because we don't "see" them and their work is not really them, it's part of an ensemble of art others created.  But if you find yourself jamming to a song from the 50's until maybe 10 years ago when we got smarter about this.. you might not be happy to know what they've done.

Unless someone explicitly does a certain thing I'm not getting wrapped up in it.   I will cheer for Larkin like I've always done.  

and Wagner was a Nazi but his operas are still the epitome of the art form. Whadyah gonna do? The idea that only moral people (by whatever definition) can produce things of positive value is a naive and false reading of humanity. Nor does the that fact that they do vitiate their culpability for the bad stuff.

Edited 5 hours ago by gehringer_2

[mtutiger]

I felt bad for the podium last night... Imagine having that guy holding on to you for dear life for close to two hours... 

[oblong]

9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

and Wagner was a Nazi but his operas are still the epitome of the art form. Whadyah gonna do? The idea that only moral people (by whatever definition) can produce things of positive value is a naive and false reading of humanity. Nor does the that fact that they do vitiate their culpability for the bad stuff.

and Nazis put us on the moon... or at least boosted us up in that direction.

"Von Braun says he aims for the stars... but sometimes he hits London"

 

[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Why bother? He'd just be replaced by another red hat athlete.

Most professional athletes, especially the white American ones, are ardent red hats. If you want to be a fan of big-time sports, you can't allow yourself to set a bar of no MAGA ever for your teams because you can't ever have that. Either disassociate the player from his ideology, or give up following big-time sports. Simple as that. You're rooting for the player, not the person. Difference.

I don't know that fans are under any illusions that a lot of professional athletes are MAGA, particularly in baseball and hockey. But there is a difference between simply harboring those views but otherwise going about your work and putting it in people's faces in a high profile way. 

The US Men's hockey team made a choice by showing up there at the White House and at the Capitol to be used as props for a failing and unpopular President. Particularly after he insulted the women's team. And with that choice, people are going to make judgments on them for better or worse. None of this is particularly surprising

Edited 5 hours ago by mtutiger

[Tiger337]

51 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Honestly, what purpose did this post serve.  He doesn’t want to debate or discuss with you.

Nothing you say will resonate with him.  He wants exactly the response that you just gave him.  He loves that he’s bothered you to the extent that you took the time to reply.

He will continue to post incendiary tweets and his own hateful ideas as long as people engage with him.    

If nobody responds to it then he will eventually get bored and move on to troll libs somewhere else.  

Yes, people accused marothformvp and Stan and Archie of being trolls in the past, but I don't think they were capable of being better.  MAGAholic has always been prickly in this forum, but he was once a reasonable poster.  Now, he has made a a conscious effort to agitate people with every post he makes and is deliberately just being a trouble maker. That is why he is the first person I put on ignore in a couple of years.  

[Sports_Freak]

I'm glad I turned it off;

 

[Tigerbomb13]

 

[Tigeraholic1]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'd rather have a wine mom than a racist pedophile who walks in on teenage girls changing at a beauty pageant and compares black people to apes on social media. Clearly you'd rather have a pedophile and a racist since you can never condemn Trump on anything, ever. Keep telling yourself that's chocolate pudding on the bottom of his boot though.

Listen, Trump is the president and that's the way it is. I agree with most of his policies. His immigration process needs cleaned up but removing all illegals is what I voted for. If evidence of him diddling kids is proven true, then prosecute him to the fullest. Do you think it was a good idea for the democrats to sit on their hands last night when asked if illegals rights meant more to them then representing the American people who voted them in? 

[gehringer_2]

26 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Do you think it was a good idea for the democrats to sit on their hands last night when asked if illegals rights meant more to them then representing the American people who voted them in? 

At heart it's both childish and craven to compare the worth of one human being to another and you should know that. There may be policies that are better or worse but not because the people they affect have more or less human dignity or worth. Anyone who believes otherwise is a sorry soul.

[romad1]

Democrats Win Three Big Elections During Trump’s State of the Union | The New Republic

The bulwark had a really interesting essayist on yesterday before the state of the union.  The thesis was comparing DARE to MADD as political forces and comparing that to the Dems and MAGA.  

DARE entered our consciousness to great fanfare with elite support (Reagan etc.) 

MADD was chaos but was all about local organization.  

Ultimately MADD is still around and effective because of organization and DARE is not. 

From the essay

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DARE raised a lot of money, disseminated an anti-drug curriculum across the country, and held big rallies; it mobilized people into action. MADD, on the other hand, empowered local volunteers to make their own decisions about how to fight for the cause. “Mobilizing is about getting people to do a thing,” a political scientist cited by Duhigg explains. “Organizing is about getting people to become the kind of people who do what needs to be done.”

MAGA, it turns out, has been pretty good at the organizing part. What can the left learn from the opposition?

Five Lessons from MAGA | The New Yorker

the painful lesson here is that you need to organize with the outrage.  I'm angry about all the things.  I need to have someone reach out to me to make me take concrete steps to lash up, not just go do a No Kings rally. 

So, look up top at the local election.  It appears that momentum favors the Dems but they need to keep it up. 

[LaceyLou]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Yes, people accused marothformvp and Stan and Archie of being trolls in the past, but I don't think they were capable of being better.  MAGAholic has always been prickly in this forum, but he was once a reasonable poster.  Now, he has made a a conscious effort to agitate people with every post he makes and is deliberately just being a trouble maker. That is why he is the first person I put on ignore in a couple of years.  

Same. I'm old and cranky and if I had a lawn I'd be yelling at people to get off of it-so some things aren't worth seeing. If somebody wants to accuse me of 'not listening to somebody else's point of view' then so be it.

Did someone say there's a way to make it so you don't see quotes of a person who you've blocked?

[romad1]

5 hours ago, chasfh said:

His goal is not to court independents, never mind liberals. His goal is to mobilize red hats.

So you are saying the blow-out in November will definitely happen unless he does something to court non-MAGA voters between now and then and he won't so...good. 

[Tigerbomb13]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

At heart it's both childish and craven to compare the worth of one human being to another and you should know that. There may be policies that are better or worse but not because the people they affect have more or less human dignity or worth. Anyone who believes otherwise is a sorry soul.

The de-humanization of undocumented people is just gross. These are people just like you and me - these are people who have fled their own country for reasons such as political/gang violence or extreme poverty. 

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

The de-humanization of undocumented people is just gross. These are people just like you and me - these are people who have fled their own country for reasons such as political/gang violence or extreme poverty. 

Jefferson didn't say "some" men are created equal, and he was just channelling St. Paul who said "all are one". So whether you fancy yourself an American or a Christian, there is your fundamental value staring you in the face whether you like it or not. Too many today want to claim either title without accepting the responsibility to be what it demands.

[pfife]

34 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Did someone say there's a way to make it so you don't see quotes of a person who you've blocked?

Sadly,  no.  Ive been manually deleting their drivel when i quote so that the millions and millions of folks with them on ignore dont see the nonsense via me.

Edited 1 hour ago by pfife

[oblong]

28 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

The de-humanization of undocumented people is just gross. These are people just like you and me - these are people who have fled their own country for reasons such as political/gang violence or extreme poverty. 

It’s the “Christian” thing to do to mock and dehumanize them.  The can wear their crosses and praise Jesus after winning a sporting event and pretend all is good and that makes them morally superior. It doesn’t. It’s hypocritical bull**** . All while “Bench pressing” 315 pounds allegedly.  Trump supporters today are pathetic excuses for human beings.  Phony Christians. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

32 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

The de-humanization of undocumented people is just gross. These are people just like you and me - these are people who have fled their own country for reasons such as political/gang violence or extreme poverty. 

MAGA is dehumanizing black people too, not just immigrants. You have the President of the United States, who pushed the racist birther conspiracy against Barack Obama, now using one of the oldest, most racist tropes by depicting black people to apes, monkeys, and primates. I don't believe I saw our MAGA poster here condemn it one single time. The President of the United States posted a video depicting black people as apes and he stayed whisper quiet. That's why I continue to quote and engage him. He needs to own that and either apologize and admit he was wrong or at least own up to the fact that his President is a racist and he's comfortable with black people being depicted as apes.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr.TaterSalad