Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tiger337]

54 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

I don't think there's a single person on here who wants to go after people not guilty of a crime. 

But in the past being 'too careful' has too often meant no investigation at all. 

Most people want the same carefulness and thoroughness for all people regardless of what they club they are in.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[guy incognito]

“The trouble with normal is it always gets worse.” —Bruce Cockburn

[chasfh]

35 minutes ago, guy incognito said:

“The trouble with normal is it always gets worse.” —Bruce Cockburn

It didn’t make sense that Bari Minutes would release the kind of information taht would implicate the Trump administration until I read the report on the website and they determine the weapon was bought in … drum roll, please … 2024!

If they’d been bought in 2025, Bari would never, ever, ever have released this information.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-military-tested-device-that-may-be-tied-to-havana-syndrome-60-minutes-transcript/

[romad1]

21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

It didn’t make sense that Bari Minutes would release the kind of information taht would implicate the Trump administration until I read the report on the website and they determine the weapon was bought in … drum roll, please … 2024!

If they’d been bought in 2025, Bari would never, ever, ever have released this information.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-military-tested-device-that-may-be-tied-to-havana-syndrome-60-minutes-transcript/

This was actually a transformative report.  I hope it has the correct impact.  The problem is that tough guys Hegseth and Trump don't think arms control is manly.   They won't proceed with a necessary...very ****ing necessary...arms control effort through public diplomacy.  

If we do somehow manage to put controls on these it would be good for everyone.   You can say what you like about cheating.  The INF and CFE treatys were remarkably effective.   

The current program for these weird tech weapons is the CCW 

https://disarmament.unoda.org/en/our-work/emerging-challenges

We need to implement AI weapons controls as well.   Although i'm sure the AI edge lords won't like that. 

[Sports_Freak]

6 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

I don't think there's a single person on here who wants to go after people not guilty of a crime. 

But in the past being 'too careful' has too often meant no investigation at all. 

Investigate? Not with Trump in charge. Any and all investigations are tarnished. This country really needs democrats to sweep the midterms so The Donald can be impeached...after legitimate investigations. But as it is, he has people in charge who are more than willing to bury his crimes. The corruption is very wide spread and total.

[Tigerbomb13]

More big grift energy 

[Sports_Freak]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

I can think of one guy here who might.

Is it better to charge 50 people with 5 being totally innocent or to ignore the 45 who committed crimes? If there really were photos and videos, I'm sure they've all been destroyed by now. After all, Trump says, even though his name appears thousands of times in the files, he's been totally exonerated.

[LaceyLou]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

Is it better to charge 50 people with 5 being totally innocent or to ignore the 45 who committed crimes? If there really were photos and videos, I'm sure they've all been destroyed by now. After all, Trump says, even though his name appears thousands of times in the files, he's been totally exonerated.

And to think people still wonder why women will choose the bear. 

[LaceyLou]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Is it better to charge 50 people with 5 being totally innocent or to ignore the 45 who committed crimes? If there really were photos and videos, I'm sure they've all been destroyed by now. After all, Trump says, even though his name appears thousands of times in the files, he's been totally exonerated.

It depends on if there's evidence to charge.

[Tiger337]

There is no question that men are more dangerous than bears.  

[oblong]

The ****er is on TV bragging about bombing and taking away their electricity and killing people but tell me again about that being the Christian way. He’s rambling in a way that Biden never did but dumb ass saps eat it up as gospel.  

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, oblong said:

The ****er is on TV bragging about bombing and taking away their electricity and killing people but tell me again about that being the Christian way. He’s rambling in a way that Biden never did but dumb ass saps eat it up as gospel.  

They never learn that killing people never changes anything. All you do is leave behind more people who are motivated to do more killing.

The difference between the outcome after WWI and WWII was not because more people were killed more efficiently a generation later, it was because the peace afterward was managed completely differently. 

There are times when there are actors on the international stage that need to be removed, but trying to punish a population by "bombing them into the stone age" as LeMay touted as the solution in Vietnam, is stupid and pointless, not to mention immoral, esp if it doesn't at least create the needed change on the ground (for instance as it did in ex-Yugoslavia).

So the question remains, what did we/will we accomplish by what we destroyed in life and treasure in Iran? It's too soon for that to be immediately clear, but I'm pessimistic it will turn out to be much.

Edited 6 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[romad1]

35 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

They never learn that killing people never changes anything. All you do is leave behind more people who are motivated to do more killing.

The difference between the outcome after WWI and WWII was not because more people were killed more efficiently a generation later, it was because the peace afterward was managed completely differently. 

There are times when there are actors on the international stage that need to be removed, but trying to punish a population by "bombing them into the stone age" as LeMay touted as the solution in Vietnam, is stupid and pointless, not to mention immoral, esp if it doesn't at least create the needed change on the ground (for instance as it did in ex-Yugoslavia).

So the question remains, what did we/will we accomplish by what we destroyed in life and treasure in Iran? It's too soon for that to be immediately clear, but I'm pessimistic it will turn out to be much.

As a member of the pro-air power community I am still amazed at the strategic ignorance of many airpower proponents.   You can do a lot but you cannot do everything with air power.  

[Motown Bombers]

I don’t understand how so many people fall for this guy. 

 

[oblong]

I see why so many Republican and right wing men beat their women. 

[Tigerbomb13]

40 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don’t understand how so many people fall for this guy. 

 

Cruelty is the point - exhibit #747382655262

[guy incognito]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Cruelty is the point - exhibit #747382655262

Speaking of 

[Edman85]

6 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Is it better to charge 50 people with 5 being totally innocent or to ignore the 45 who committed crimes? If there really were photos and videos, I'm sure they've all been destroyed by now. After all, Trump says, even though his name appears thousands of times in the files, he's been totally exonerated.

 

With the full caveat being that I think he did some illegal stuff with Epstein.

This line being trotted out by the left is disingenuous, since a supermajority of the mentions come from Epstein's emails and the news articles he had sent to his emails.

It is also very much an undercount in other ways because Trump doesn't use email, and we are kinda seeing a likely reason why.

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

They never learn that killing people never changes anything. All you do is leave behind more people who are motivated to do more killing.

The difference between the outcome after WWI and WWII was not because more people were killed more efficiently a generation later, it was because the peace afterward was managed completely differently. 

There are times when there are actors on the international stage that need to be removed, but trying to punish a population by "bombing them into the stone age" as LeMay touted as the solution in Vietnam, is stupid and pointless, not to mention immoral, esp if it doesn't at least create the needed change on the ground (for instance as it did in ex-Yugoslavia).

So the question remains, what did we/will we accomplish by what we destroyed in life and treasure in Iran? It's too soon for that to be immediately clear, but I'm pessimistic it will turn out to be much.

And here's the next point:

In which ****ing universe are the Iranians NOW going to give up their nuclear goals?

NUNCA!

Iran will NEVER (now that Trump has shown how belligerent America can be (under his leadership that is...)) give up its nuclear aspirations. They will now see, as North Korea saw, that they MUST have nuclear bombs as an existential necessity.

[Sports_Freak]

49 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

 

With the full caveat being that I think he did some illegal stuff with Epstein.

This line being trotted out by the left is disingenuous, since a supermajority of the mentions come from Epstein's emails and the news articles he had sent to his emails.

It is also very much an undercount in other ways because Trump doesn't use email, and we are kinda seeing a likely reason why.

Yeah, I made a point of innocent people being named in the files not necessarily guilty of anything. Some totally innocents may get caught up by just being mentioned in emails. Even though I think Trump is a pervert and is as guilty as, or more, than Epstein. But proof and feelings are totally different. A guy who brags about walking in on teenagers dressing is pretty much admitting he's a sick pervert. But, I guess that's just my opinion.

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

And here's the next point:

In which ****ing universe are the Iranians NOW going to give up their nuclear goals?

NUNCA!

Iran will NEVER (now that Trump has shown how belligerent America can be (under his leadership that is...)) give up its nuclear aspirations. They will now see, as North Korea saw, that they MUST have nuclear bombs as an existential necessity.

yup - this is almost certainly the next shoe that will drop. Iran will go all out to assemble and demonstrate one fissile explosion no matter how small, because they know that will change the calculus completely. And so the Iranian bomb will be Bibi's legacy to Israel. Total victory of ironic justice.

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2