Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

 

[gehringer_2]

14 hours ago, romad1 said:

Stole that

No knock on the brave dedicated people who worked this project, but objectively, this mission was mostly  a reprise of re-purposed, warmed over 80's rocket tech. A broken down thespian mounting a production of Hamlet when he's 70 just to prove he's still alive. We fall back on these kinds of demonstrations whenever national confidence wanes. I wonder if they make any difference,

Edited 13 hours ago by gehringer_2

[oblong]

I lack confidence in the American people to do the right thing when it really counts. They failed us in ‘16, ‘18, ‘22, and ‘24 despite all the handwringing from th Lincoln project and bulwark and podcasters.  Remember when Graham and Cruz and Collins were going to lose?
 

Dobbs was supposed to end the GOP.  That’s ancient history. Yes it’s cute when an R district goes from +47 to + 18 or a Democrat wins dog catcher in Montana.  Until the House and Senate flips and then the White House goes D I’m not getting excited. This country elected Trump again after ‘16 and Jan 6.  It’s who we are.  It wasn’t an outlier. We are at the mercy of idiots. 

[guy incognito]

As Churchill famously observed, “You can always count upon Americans to do the wrong thing, each and every day of the year and twice on Sundays. The ______g morons.”

 

13 minutes ago, oblong said:

I lack confidence in the American people to do the right thing when it really counts. They failed us in ‘16, ‘18, ‘22, and ‘24 despite all the handwringing from th Lincoln project and bulwark and podcasters.  Remember when Graham and Cruz and Collins were going to lose?
 

Dobbs was supposed to end the GOP.  That’s ancient history. Yes it’s cute when an R district goes from +47 to + 18 or a Democrat wins dog catcher in Montana.  Until the House and Senate flips and then the White House goes D I’m not getting excited. This country elected Trump again after ‘16 and Jan 6.  It’s who we are.  It wasn’t an outlier. We are at the mercy of idiots. 

 

[mtutiger]

18 minutes ago, oblong said:

I lack confidence in the American people to do the right thing when it really counts. They failed us in ‘16, ‘18, ‘22, and ‘24 despite all the handwringing from th Lincoln project and bulwark and podcasters.  Remember when Graham and Cruz and Collins were going to lose?
 

Dobbs was supposed to end the GOP.  That’s ancient history. Yes it’s cute when an R district goes from +47 to + 18 or a Democrat wins dog catcher in Montana.  Until the House and Senate flips and then the White House goes D I’m not getting excited. This country elected Trump again after ‘16 and Jan 6.  It’s who we are.  It wasn’t an outlier. We are at the mercy of idiots. 

Definitely not suggesting that I trust the American people... Nor am I excited quite frankly about any of this. There's a reason you see less of me on this board and consuming political media at this point in time

But also stepping back from all of that, the Hungarian election shows that politics does matter and that change can happen. And the population that made it happen didn't do it by acting like a bunch of cold hearted cynics who were constantly paralyzed by fear, they did it by putting in the work

We really could learn from that collectively

Edited 12 hours ago by mtutiger

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[Sports_Freak]

 

[romad1]

7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

No knock on the brave dedicated people who worked this project, but objectively, this mission was mostly  a reprise of re-purposed, warmed over 80's rocket tech. A broken down thespian mounting a production of Hamlet when he's 70 just to prove he's still alive. We fall back on these kinds of demonstrations whenever national confidence wanes. I wonder if they make any difference,

The psychology of having China beat us back to the Moon might be all about us being up our own asses but it is still good to prove you can dunk on little brother before he (AND EVERYONE ELSE) decides you don't matter anymore. 

Edited 6 hours ago by romad1

[mtutiger]

This is a great point... the church will long outlive our senile, narcissistic President

[RatkoVarda]

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

It was being discussed in the World Politics thread because it applies more over there, but I do think we need to think a little bit about the rhetoric leading up to this campaign and all of the fears that people had (not unfounded fwiw) about what Orban would do if he lost, or how he would steal the election, or how they would throw out votes, you name it. 

The election came, Fidesz got their asses kicked, and Orban and went out there and whined and cried but, in the end, conceded. The fears, legitimate as they may have been, did not come to pass.

i will disagree and say people are not scared enough. I understand fear paralyzes some people, but it is important to go down fighting and telling the truth. (see: Kamala Harris warning people that he would unleash the military on US citizens.)

Trump was VERY VERY VERY CLOSE to stealing the 2020 election. If Mike Pence had derailed the Jan 6 count, it would have thrown the election to the House who would have elected Trump over Biden because of "the fraud". take seriously and literally MAGA when they say Trump should remain in the White House after Jan 20 2029. it's a stupid, stupid plan, but I can guarantee you, there is a plan.

we are barely hanging on as a democracy. people need to understand that.

[romad1]

 

[casimir]

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

 

Crucify him and see what happens.

[mtutiger]

18 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

i will disagree and say people are not scared enough. I understand fear paralyzes some people, but it is important to go down fighting and telling the truth. (see: Kamala Harris warning people that he would unleash the military on US citizens.)

Trump was VERY VERY VERY CLOSE to stealing the 2020 election. If Mike Pence had derailed the Jan 6 count, it would have thrown the election to the House who would have elected Trump over Biden because of "the fraud". take seriously and literally MAGA when they say Trump should remain in the White House after Jan 20 2029. it's a stupid, stupid plan, but I can guarantee you, there is a plan.

we are barely hanging on as a democracy. people need to understand that.

Again, a lot of the same fears and anxieties in the lead up to what Orban would do to stay in power were filtered in the media and among a lot of American observers. The voters spoke and they did not happen. Just think we need to consider that when thinking about our own situation.

I understand that January 6th happened and that Trump (unlike Orban) is not a rational person. But I see the thought that democracy is over or that politics do not matter at all often (including to an extent on this board when engaging), and regardless of what stupidity he or his party have up his sleeve, I don't believe either thing is true. Democracy is not over, people are engaged (10 million people showed up to the last No Kings protests, no matter how much it was downplayed by the media), and things are always changing. People are pissed at the cost of gasoline, the cost of housing, being stuck in a stupid and pointless war. People were pissed when the administration was instigating a terror campaign on the people Minneapolis (one, btw, that the people of Minneapolis beat back and defeated). And yes, I truly do think there are a lot of people pissed off at his attacks on democracy. Maybe that wasn't the case in 2024, but things change in politics.

This administration is terrible, they will do countless bad things between now and November and now and 2028. But I wish more liberals or anti-Trump folks understood that being joyless or hopeless (or projecting joylessness and hopelessness) all of the time may be a good coping mechanism... but ultimately it does not make anything that may happen in the future any more or less likely. 

I speak to that as well having watched the Hungarian opposition build over the past couple of years as well.... they started from a much worse situation than we find ourselves in, but there was a lot less wallowing or "woe is me" going on. They did the work... we need to as well.

Edited 4 hours ago by mtutiger

[Tiger337]

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Offensive on so many levels... so many levels

He managed to mock and insult Christians on both Easter and Orthodox Easter.  

[guy incognito]

[Tigerbomb13]

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

 

The strange demons over him is a nice touch. 

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

lol the pope is weak on crime. guess i won't be voting for him this november.

[Sports_Freak]

Trump getting into a flame war with the pope is SO TrumpLike. You really can't make up the stupid shi* this moron does.

[oblong]

 

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Trump getting into a flame war with the pope is SO TrumpLike. You really can't make up the stupid shi* this moron does.

This will probably come across pedantic, but to the extent it's a "war" or a "feud" or whatever euphemisms are thrown at it, it's a completely one-sided one. The Pope is simply projecting the logical position that comes from the Gospels on the war and conflict before us.

Trump, the narcissist that he is, also likely cannot handle the fact that Pope Leo (Dolton, IL native) has now supplanted him as being the most influential American on the planet as well.

Edited 1 hour ago by mtutiger

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

 

He does appear to fill most of the main criteria: he's the ruler of an empire who exercises widespread authority and demands allegiance and worship; he's a deceiver who misleads believers and their ministers; he exalts himself above all objects of worship and even sets himself up in God’s place; he rejects divine and moral order; and he is waging war against the faithful in his attacking of the Pope.

All he has left to do is deny that Jesus is the Christ (i.e., the Messiah) and deny that Jesus came in the flesh and he's pretty much 100% there.

[ewsieg]

28 minutes ago, oblong said:

 

I might be annoyed at where they put their 'red' line, but happy when folks realize it's been crossed.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

i will disagree and say people are not scared enough. I understand fear paralyzes some people, but it is important to go down fighting and telling the truth. (see: Kamala Harris warning people that he would unleash the military on US citizens.)

Trump was VERY VERY VERY CLOSE to stealing the 2020 election. If Mike Pence had derailed the Jan 6 count, it would have thrown the election to the House who would have elected Trump over Biden because of "the fraud". take seriously and literally MAGA when they say Trump should remain in the White House after Jan 20 2029. it's a stupid, stupid plan, but I can guarantee you, there is a plan.

we are barely hanging on as a democracy. people need to understand that.

I too would like to believe that because all the prior crises in American history resolved normally while keeping our constitutional order intact, that this crisis will resolve the same way, by definition.

[oblong]

Just now, ewsieg said:

I might be annoyed at where they put their 'red' line, but happy when folks realize it's been crossed.

I take it to mean "Ok, you say that now just to move on and not have to defend it, but next week you'll forget about it."

I mean... how much more proof do we need of anything negative you could possibly say about him that wasn't there in 2016?

 

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I might be annoyed at where they put their 'red' line, but happy when folks realize it's been crossed.

Brent is a sarcasm guy.