2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[papalawrence]

30 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

 

I also. don't think Bichette as a rental costs a fortune, but it may be Jung, Lee, and someone like Hamm.  

But again, Toronto is 1.5 games out of the wild card. Historically they've been more about trying to win now, than moving toward the future. And making that trade this year makes them worse this year. 

[RandyMarsh]

19 hours ago, Edman85 said:

I remember when the Tigers had too many starting pitchers last spring and it took until June for bullpen days to be regular.

The one baseball cliche that always seems to end up being true is "you can never have enough starting pitching". I think many Tigers fans took that for granted cause of how fortunate we were during the glory 2010 years in regards to the health of our rotation.

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

The one baseball cliche that always seems to end up being true is "you can never have enough starting pitching". I think many Tigers fans took that for granted cause of how fortunate we were during the glory 2010 years in regards to the health of our rotation.

You can never ever have too much pitching!  This cliche is truer now than it ever was.  

[HeyAbbott]

What would the asking price would be too steep unless one would belive the window is closing for the Tigers. Is Bichette reasonable for a package of say, Max Anderson, Jaden Hamm, and either Jace Jung or JayHen? I don't know. If I am Toronto, I want a top 5 prospect.

[RatkoVarda]

Tor just handed out a $500M contract and they are 1 games out of the Wild Card. For them to trade their starting SS, Harris would have to give them ML pieces that improves their team now. I think there's a match, but very difficult.

[SoCalTiger]

5 hours ago, chasfh said:

Do you give up one of Liranzo or Briceño for four months of him?

H____ NO !

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

So, he's a guy who can hit in the minors, is not much of a defender and hasn't proved himself in the majors.  That sounds a lot like Liranzo and Briceno.  

Liranzo and Briceño are at least three years behind Jung on the prospect continuum and they and have not had their shot at the majors yet, so, probably not a fair compare.

[SoCalTiger]

Liranzo-Rainer-Clark-McGonigle- Bricenio and Rodriguez aren't  going anywhere. Neither is Bo Bichette in my estimation after signing Vlad. We don't match up anyway.  Maybe our old friend Enrigue Suarez for 3B. They might consider J-Hen with first base opening next season or Wencel in combo with a low level prospect. 

Harris is hard for me to predict which is good, He will probably get some help with minimum loss. He seems quite measured to me . I trust him.

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Liranzo and Briceño are at least three years behind Jung on the prospect continuum and they and have not had their shot at the majors yet, so, probably not a fair compare.

But I wouldn't say that their probability of success in the majors is any better than Jung.  

[SoCalTiger]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Liranzo and Briceño are at least three years behind Jung on the prospect continuum and they and have not had their shot at the majors yet, so, probably not a fair compare.

Jung's a bust. We should have taken Neto. I'm still complaining about that one. Much worse bluer than Jobe over Mayer. But Al had Javy penciled in and made the mistake of not taking the best talent but chose for position. Harris and the good GM's don't do that.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

But I wouldn't say that their probability of success in the majors is any better than Jung.  

OK.

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Jung's a bust. We should have taken Neto. I'm still complaining about that one. Much worse bluer than Jobe over Mayer. But Al had Javy penciled in and made the mistake of not taking the best talent but chose for position. Harris and the good GM's don't do that.

I trust Harris over Avila as a GM in every aspect, but I doubt Jung was selected due to his position.  

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Jung's a bust. We should have taken Neto. I'm still complaining about that one. Much worse bluer than Jobe over Mayer. But Al had Javy penciled in and made the mistake of not taking the best talent but chose for position. Harris and the good GM's don't do that.

IDK yet if he's a bust, but guys that never break a 250 BA in the minors don't usually have enough contact skill to stay in the majors unless they have well above average power. At 25 the clock hasn't run out for him completely, but I would probably agree that his career is looking less than 50/50 right now.

[Edman85]

36 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Jung's a bust. We should have taken Neto. I'm still complaining about that one. Much worse bluer than Jobe over Mayer. But Al had Javy penciled in and made the mistake of not taking the best talent but chose for position. Harris and the good GM's don't do that.

Maybe Neto told the Tigers he wouldn't sign.

[Arlington]

With Parker and Wenceel back we now have 5 above average mostly interchangeable outfielders, and Carpenter.  McKinstry and Baez will have to look more towards the left side of the infield for their ABs.  What we have seen from left side of the infield so far will not be the same going forward. 

If Torres walked into Hinch's office with a third baseman's glove, Hinch should kiss him.  This would give the the Tigers incredible flexibility in adjusting the batting order making three-position fielding adjustments a couple times in a game.  Essentially any batter (excluding catchers) could PH for any other and burn only the player being pinch hit.  For example, Keith could pinch hit for Weencel in the 8 spot and Torres could stay in the two spot for the next inning by moving to third with Baez/McKinstry moving to Wenceel's position.  Torres is making a mistake being so adamant about not repositioning.  

[RatkoVarda]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Maybe Neto told the Tigers he wouldn't sign.

I find it doubtful that Campbell University SS Zach Neto turned refused the Tigers, signing for $1M less with one of the worst professional sports organizations on planet earth. 

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, Arlington said:

With Parker and Wenceel back we now have 5 above average mostly interchangeable outfielders, and Carpenter.  McKinstry and Baez will have to look more towards the left side of the infield for their ABs.  What we have seen from left side of the infield so far will not be the same going forward. 

If Torres walked into Hinch's office with a third baseman's glove, Hinch should kiss him.  This would give the the Tigers incredible flexibility in adjusting the batting order making three-position fielding adjustments a couple times in a game.  Essentially any batter (excluding catchers) could PH for any other and burn only the player being pinch hit.  For example, Keith could pinch hit for Weencel in the 8 spot and Torres could stay in the two spot for the next inning by moving to third with Baez/McKinstry moving to Wenceel's position.  Torres is making a mistake being so adamant about not repositioning.  

well, I'd make it 4 interchangeable OFs and Parker, who is in a class by himself 

Agree about Torres. You would think he would see  that playing a little 3rd gets him basically 100% playing time, which he can't get now unless Torkelson or Keith really slump.

[RandyMarsh]

6 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I find it doubtful that Campbell University SS Zach Neto turned refused the Tigers, signing for $1M less with one of the worst professional sports organizations on planet earth. 

Yeah hard to believe he wouldn't sign but with that said as bad as the Angels are as a franchise they have always been known to be aggressive with prospects so there was a good chance in his and his agents eyes atleast that they'd be an ideal spot to get to the majors the fastest. 

I think it just boils down to the Tigers really liking Jung and his supposed advanced bat. I agree with SoCal that I think they drafted for immediate concerns instead of BPA, they probably felt that Jung could help the big league team as early as 2023. The regime probably knew their leash was short and they couldn't afford to take guys that were years away. Of course Neto ended up proving that he wasn't far away but they may have not thought that at the time. 

[Hongbit]

20 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I find it doubtful that Campbell University SS Zach Neto turned refused the Tigers, signing for $1M less with one of the worst professional sports organizations on planet earth. 

I don’t blame you because the change in college baseball has happened so quickly.    Campbell is actually a legit small school powerhouse.   They made 5 straight NCAA tournaments prior to this year.     Dallas Baptist, Wright State, and Sam Houston have all built strong programs in the last 5 years

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, papalawrence said:

But again, Toronto is 1.5 games out of the wild card. Historically they've been more about trying to win now, than moving toward the future. And making that trade this year makes them worse this year. 

I don't believe Toronto is looking at "ONLY" this year. They're looking at the next 3-5 years.

Bichette is leaving as a free agent. So what is his worth to Guerrero & the Blue Jays over the next 3-5 years?

Zero.

How much value is a compensatory pick to Guerrero & the Blue Jays over the next 3-5 years?

Zero, or close to it.

It's why the Jays will trade Bichette for "major-league-ready talent" at the deadline.

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, HeyAbbott said:

... Bichette reasonable for a package of say .... If I am Toronto, I want a top 5 prospect.

Toronto is not getting a top 5 prospect from any team for Bichette.

[RandyMarsh]

6 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Toronto is not getting a top 5 prospect from any team for Bichette.

If he means top 5 overall than yeah never going to happen but top 5 in the organization that could definitely happen I think. 

[Edman85]

56 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I find it doubtful that Campbell University SS Zach Neto turned refused the Tigers, signing for $1M less with one of the worst professional sports organizations on planet earth. 

Never know... the Tigers player dev reputation was in the toilet then. He could have told them no at any price, and if so, why take that risk?

[Nate7474]

In my eyes a trade for Bichette would take someone who could play now. I’d let them choose between Jung and Lee both come to mind. Then also a high upside player like Montilla.
 

So would you do Jung/Lee and Montilla for Bichette? I think I would and I think the Blue Jays atleast think about something like that. I don’t however think they will be sellers unless they go a big losing streak. 

[4hzglory]

56 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

If he means top 5 overall than yeah never going to happen but top 5 in the organization that could definitely happen I think. 

Top 5 in a strong organization is much different than even top 3 in some organizations.