2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[4hzglory]

9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't follw the draft as closely as some people here do, but I don't remember Jace Jung being a controversial pick when they made it, nor do I remember a lot of talk about Neto.   Eleven other teams passed on Neto too.  Once you get past the first few picks, the draft is a crap shoot.  Look at any past draft  and the majority of first rounders didn't amount to that much.  

I do remember a fair amount of talk about Neto right after the draft, including that scouts/others in the front office wanted him, but Avila wanted Jung.  How true it was, I don't know, but it was before either played in the minors.

[lordstanley]

36 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't follw the draft as closely as some people here do, but I don't remember Jace Jung being a controversial pick when they made it, nor do I remember a lot of talk about Neto.   Eleven other teams passed on Neto too.  Once you get past the first few picks, the draft is a crap shoot.  Look at any past draft  and the majority of first rounders didn't amount to that much.  

And the 2020 draft is STILL unpredictable. This mock re-draft was done just 5 months ago and since then Spencer Strider has had a disastrous start to the season coming off his UCL and Spencer Torkelson will have jumped back into the top 10. 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/redrafting-the-2020-mlb-draft-spencer-strider-garrett-crochet-top-the-class/

 

And from a Redidit thread about it: 

“These are always fun. For those curious where these guys actually went overall in 2020:

11. Crochet
13. Bailey
19. Crow-Armstrong
28. Wells
30. Westburg
44. Jones
50. Carter
54. Winn
126. Strider
132. Keith”

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1hqi3w8/baseball_americas_redrafted_2020_draft/

Edited June 5 by lordstanley

[Edman85]

Not gonna post the whole list of CBT numbers, but Ryan Cusick's comes out to a whopping $1,667.

 

I am glad I started tracking this year in detail because I could see the Tigers approaching the tax next year. Some of these pre-arb guys are going to be earning some raises.

Edited June 5 by Edman85

[Tigermojo]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/06/tigers-willing-to-play-colt-keith-at-third-base.html

DUH!

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Tigermojo said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/06/tigers-willing-to-play-colt-keith-at-third-base.html

DUH!

When he first came up I remember discussion that the shoulder would take at least a year to return to full strength - that time has passed now, so one has to assume that the Docs are saying there is no reason for him not to play there again now.

[Topliner1903]

7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

When he first came up I remember discussion that the shoulder would take at least a year to return to full strength - that time has passed now, so one has to assume that the Docs are saying there is no reason for him not to play there again now.

I just hope it's not that bad for Rainer.

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, holygoat said:

None of that stops me from picking up the phone and calling the Jays to inquire about the possibility of acquiring Bichette.

Yes, you’re right. You’re talking about it from the Tigers’ perspective, and I agree with your approach from that perspective. I’m talking about it from the Jays’ perspective. They’re not making the deal unless they get a major league contributor today’s back in trade.

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

https://www.mlb.com/draft/tracker

Thanks.

Bummer, they have no bonus info from before 2017.

[chasfh]

19 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't follw the draft as closely as some people here do, but I don't remember Jace Jung being a controversial pick when they made it, nor do I remember a lot of talk about Neto.   Eleven other teams passed on Neto too.  Once you get past the first few picks, the draft is a crap shoot.  Look at any past draft  and the majority of first rounders didn't amount to that much.  

I seem to remember the controversy was Jung was drafted for second base but was already below average there, so it looked like he was going to eventually move to third like a dozen other guys we had in the system, and it all looked very haphazard. Plus Jung had a weirdo batting stance.

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I seem to remember the controversy was Jung was drafted for second base but was already below average there, so it looked like he was going to eventually move to third like a dozen other guys we had in the system, and it all looked very haphazard. Plus Jung had a weirdo batting stance.

Maybe Avila had a soft spot for guys from MLB families, at least other than his own (Jace, Parker, Daz).

At this point pretty much everyone in that draft has to be wishing they had taken Neto.

Still, you can't afford to miss on your 1st rounders, even if it's not a great draft.

Edited June 6 by gehringer_2

[holygoat]

No GM is gonna bat 1.000, and as we're finding out, Avila was above average wrt to the draft. I seem to remember a number of analysts suggesting that Jace would be the better of the Jung brothers, too. 

[TigerNation]

51 minutes ago, holygoat said:

No GM is gonna bat 1.000, and as we're finding out, Avila was above average wrt to the draft. I seem to remember a number of analysts suggesting that Jace would be the better of the Jung brothers, too. 

I only read the opposite, that he wasnt as good of a prospect as Josh.

[RandyMarsh]

I remember reading mixed reviews about Jace, some said his bat would play anywhere others questioned if he could hit mlb pitching without changing his unorthodox batting style. 

To be honest I don't remember much about Neto pre draft, Kevin Parada and Brooks lee were the names I remember most being linked to us and both ended up going before our pick. 

 

Edited June 6 by RandyMarsh

[oblong]

the draft is a crapshoot when it comes to individual players.  It's like analyzing blackjack strategy on one particular hand.  It's not about the individual in any one year.  It's the overall body of work.  I'm not saying this to defend anyone in particular.  Just that you can't draw a conclusion on someone's success because of one player.

 

 

[Edman85]

I wish this was more illustrative for his waiver priority, but the Tigers are last in priority for Cusick because they've already claimed him... But they'd be last anyways because they have the best record.

 

 

[Edman85]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

Thanks.

Bummer, they have no bonus info from before 2017.

BA does. I have bonus info for most players currently in the Tigers org in my service time sheet on the bio info page.

[Sports_Freak]

 

[Sports_Freak]

Impressive;

 

[holygoat]

Very impressive.

 

[chasfh]

8 hours ago, holygoat said:

Very impressive.

 

In the last 125 seasons? Lol, so there was better ratio in 1886 or something?

I think we can comfortably conclude “ever”.

[IdahoBert]

So I guess Vierling “resuming baseball activities” means doing more than just sitting still and staring at the wall. No real game action. Then I presume another stint at Toledo.

When I first became a fan as a kid, I don’t remember players getting injured so much.

Of course, the wealth of information now and the expanded ability to hyper focus on a team thanks to the Internet means I know more about what’s going on.

But I could look on the back of a baseball card or look up a player in the yearly Sporting News Baseball Register and starters routinely played 145 to 150 games or more year by year without interruption.

Is the game more demanding or physical than it used to be? Or do I now just have more information to fret about?

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

So I guess Vierling “resuming baseball activities” means doing more than just sitting still and staring at the wall. No real game action. Then I presume another stint at Toledo.

When I first became a fan as a kid, I don’t remember players getting injured so much.

Of course, the wealth of information now and the expanded ability to hyper focus on a team thanks to the Internet means I know more about what’s going on.

But I could look on the back of a baseball card or look up a player in the yearly Sporting News Baseball Register and starters routinely played 145 to 150 games or more year by year without interruption.

Is the game more demanding or physical than it used to be? Or do I now just have more information to fret about?

Maybe a combination of things. How many careers were shortened by the "just play thru it philosophies", especially with pitchers?  Also the investment in many of the players may play into it, especially in the terms of having multi year contracts vs one year deals. Not to mention player cost

[Sports_Freak]

31 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

So I guess Vierling “resuming baseball activities” means doing more than just sitting still and staring at the wall. No real game action. Then I presume another stint at Toledo.

When I first became a fan as a kid, I don’t remember players getting injured so much.

Of course, the wealth of information now and the expanded ability to hyper focus on a team thanks to the Internet means I know more about what’s going on.

But I could look on the back of a baseball card or look up a player in the yearly Sporting News Baseball Register and starters routinely played 145 to 150 games or more year by year without interruption.

Is the game more demanding or physical than it used to be? Or do I now just have more information to fret about?

There are more players in the league now compared to the '60's? I really doubt that's the reason but it's probably true.

[Shinzaki]

Pitchers used to get cortisone shots in their arms to pitch with no concern for long-term damage...not the healthiest approach

Edited June 7 by Shinzaki

[Tiger337]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

In the last 125 seasons? Lol, so there was better ratio in 1886 or something?

I think we can comfortably conclude “ever”.

125 seasons is widely considered the era of modern MLB, so it makes sense to stop there, but a 1880s baseball historian might be put off by the word "ever".  I know there are many who now consider 1947 to be the beginning of modern baseball, but I don't believe that has been made an official designation