HeyAbbott Posted October 12 Posted October 12 On 10/11/2025 at 9:38 AM, Motor City Sonics said: By the way, as far as Chris' motivation to win. The Tigers were in first place most of the season, but 16th in attendance - one behind the worst team in baseball, Colorado. So maybe he's thinking - when we're good the fans don't really show up, so why bother spending money, those fans are filling enough of our parking lots. I remarked about this year's attendence in another post. As it stands right now, a reasonable business case can be made for spending very little. "Even with a good team, the fans don't show up", someone could say and they would not be entirely wrong. It is not a foregone conclusion that there will be spending. The TV revenue is low, the attendence was lagging for a good team, and there might be more pressing priorities for Chris to spending money on, given he has a new chippie. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 minute ago, HeyAbbott said: The TV revenue is low I thought it had been reported the TV ratings were very good this year. No? Even if they are, they clearly do have a live attendance issue. The move back to more weekday day games can't help. Day games on sunny days are torture at COPA. Being retired they would be perfect for me but I'm not willing to be fried like an egg to watch a ballgame. Quote
IdahoBert Posted October 12 Posted October 12 I am waiting for my winter of discontent to end so I can crawl out of my cave and squint at the sunlight. And winter hasn’t even yet begun!. And it will be a long, long, long, long time, before the dawn. Quote
HeyAbbott Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I thought it had been reported the TV ratings were very good this year. No? During the bankruptcy proceedings for Diamond Sports et al., originally the Tigers were going to be dumped from the rebranded FanDuel sports entirely. The TV revenue probably was no more than 30 million if that. If last Forbes numbers I saw are to be believed, the local TV revenue going into the season for a mid market team was 50 million roughly. I don't know if there is a revenue adjustment for ratings. And when one thinks about it, this year's TV revenue paid for Meada, Cobb, and Brebbia. Edited October 12 by HeyAbbott Errors Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 12 Posted October 12 32 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said: I remarked about this year's attendence in another post. As it stands right now, a reasonable business case can be made for spending very little. "Even with a good team, the fans don't show up", someone could say and they would not be entirely wrong. It is not a foregone conclusion that there will be spending. The TV revenue is low, the attendence was lagging for a good team, and there might be more pressing priorities for Chris to spending money on, given he has a new chippie. Give me ownership of the Tigers and a billion dollars and I would spend so much, it would make your head spin. No salary cap? Fine, I would go all in. It's only...money. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Are there any examples of a team trading a superstar in the last year of a contract? I'm really curious to know what the Tigers could get for Skubal if they traded him before the start of next season. Quote
Edman85 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 17 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Are there any examples of a team trading a superstar in the last year of a contract? I'm really curious to know what the Tigers could get for Skubal if they traded him before the start of next season. Corbin Burnes to the Orioles Kyle Tucker to the Cubs Are two recent examples off the top of my head. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Just my initial thoughts for 2026 without much research or thinking I come to the following : 1. Trade Skubul. We won't sign him, we have fallen short twice with him at his best and starting pitching is fragile. Best option is the Phillies- the owner is motivated and DD will deal - I offer them Skubull- Jaden Hamm- Jake Rogers and Jace Jung for Andrew Painter- Eden Miller - Johan Duarn and Nick Costellanos ( a salary dump for DD to help sign Schwarber back). I would be willing to exchange Max Anderson for Jace Jung if required. I'm adding good minor league talent to help offset the Phillies loss of two top 100 prospects. But they have the same core for three yers now and will want one more push which Skubs provides. 2. Sign Bregman. Third base needs to be fixed and with Skubs gone we can overpay. 3. Offer Gleyber Torres the one year qualifying offer. Try to keep him for one more year if possible. 4. Keep Mize and take the 4 million option on Urquidy for depth. 5. Sign or trade for Zac Gallen or similar level solid # 3 starter for 3 to 4 years around 15-17 per year 6. Sign or trade for a solid lefty for the bullpen. Keep Finigan to pair with Vest and Duran at the end. 7. move on from mediocre- Jung-Ibanez - JHM- Sweeny -etc Quote
4hzglory Posted October 12 Posted October 12 3 hours ago, holygoat said: I don't think trading Skubal necessarily equals punting on 2026. They can take whatever money they have allocated for Skubal to acquire upgrades elsewhere, in addition to what they receive in the trade. What Skubal is expected to make in arbitration is basically what Flaherty made last year-you aren’t going to make many upgrades for that. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 2 hours ago, GalagaGuy said: Are there any examples of a team trading a superstar in the last year of a contract? I'm really curious to know what the Tigers could get for Skubal if they traded him before the start of next season. Twins moved Santana with a year left (I thinK) when he was arguably the best pitcher in the majors. They got 4 players - all bust IIRC. Quote
romad1 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 It would be amazing if they did resign Skubal. Nothing would make Chris Illitch's stock rise higher. Perhaps, like NIL a consortium of Detroit loving financiers could get together to invest in the left arm of the best SP in the American League. Ford family, Penske, Gilbert? Quote
holygoat Posted October 12 Posted October 12 15 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: What Skubal is expected to make in arbitration is basically what Flaherty made last year-you aren’t going to make many upgrades for that. Who's talking about 2026 salary? We're talking about beyond that. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 15 minutes ago, holygoat said: Who's talking about 2026 salary? We're talking about beyond that. You said it wasn’t punting on 2026 if they trade Skubal. I think they know they aren’t signing him beyond that and theoretically could use that money to improve while they still have Skubal. Edited October 12 by 4hzglory Quote
holygoat Posted October 12 Posted October 12 3 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: You said it wasn’t punting on 2026 if they trade Skubal. I think they know they aren’t signing him beyond that and theoretically could use that money to improve while they still have Skubal. Let's see what I actually said: By your logic, keeping Skubal with the knowledge that he's adamant about becoming a FA after 2026 is punting on 2027. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Remember, trading him now (during the off season) probably equates to three A grade prospects. Waiting till half way through the season might, maybe get you one A grade prospect and some flyers. More likely it'd be a package of three or four B level prospects. Let me put it a different way to understand his value. Would you rather get: Package A: Max Clark, Kevin McGonigle and Rainer Or Package B: Brisceno, Liranzo, Max Anderson and Jadem Hamm Give me Package A please. Trade Skubal now.............. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 I’m not sure we get 3 top 50 prospects for 1 year of Skubal Quote
Hart Posted October 12 Posted October 12 I think you got to get Aidan Miller in any trade with the Phillies. Not sure if he will stick at shortstop but third base is a need for us as well. And he was great the second half of the season. Quote
Hart Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 minute ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’m not sure we get 3 top 50 prospects for 1 year of Skubal That's kind of what I was thinking also. Seems like a steep asking price for a rental. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 12 Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’m not sure we get 3 top 50 prospects for 1 year of Skubal https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-trade-juan-soto-to-padres-in-eight-player-deal?partnerId=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A&utm_id=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A Juan Soto did. If the best hitter did, I'm guessing the best pitcher will.... Or it'd be close. Quote
ICroupier Posted October 12 Posted October 12 3 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’m not sure we get 3 top 50 prospects for 1 year of Skubal No chance we get that. I think we get a top 20-30 guy, a top 75-10 guy, and a couple of lottery tickets. And I'd make that trade all day. They're not re-signing him. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Just now, AlaskanTigersFan said: https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-trade-juan-soto-to-padres-in-eight-player-deal?partnerId=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A&utm_id=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A Juan Soto did. If the best hitter did, I'm guessing the best pitcher will.... Or it'd be close. You can’t really equalize the value between an everyday position player and a starting pitcher. The risk is monumentally more with the pitcher. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted October 12 Posted October 12 I gave Skubal a 6 year $25 million plus contract beginning in 2026 in OOTP GO He started out mediocre then hurt his arm and is out 14 months. A-I GMs were not offering much in the 2025 post season (Tigers won the Series) Currently at the trade deadline we’re floundering around .500. Our prospects are mediocre as well Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ICroupier said: No chance we get that. I think we get a top 20-30 guy, a top 75-10 guy, and a couple of lottery tickets. And I'd make that trade all day. They're not re-signing him. That’s probably a lot more realistic. Then you’d have to narrow down organizations that are both going hard to compete for next year AND have prospects in those ranges that we want. But then we also have to pony up and bring in a couple #2/3 level starters minimally because I doubt we would get an impact SP that is major league ready in return. Edited October 12 by monkeytargets39 Quote
SeattleMike Posted October 12 Posted October 12 23 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-trade-juan-soto-to-padres-in-eight-player-deal?partnerId=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A&utm_id=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A Juan Soto did. If the best hitter did, I'm guessing the best pitcher will.... Or it'd be close. Soto was 2.5 years from free agency. Skubal just one. 1 Quote
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