2025-2026 Tigers Off Season Thread

[Edman85]

11 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Gonna be some transactions tomorrow...

• Alex Lange's 7 day DFA window is up.
• It's the 40-man roster deadline.
• Because the non-tender deadline is Friday, a lot of non-tenders just get DFA'ed tomorrow to jump the gun. Even some non-arb guys may be chopped. Note: anybody injured or anybody selected to the 40-man after August 15 can't be outrighted, so they may be prime non-tender candidates. Teams like non-tendering, because you can just agree to a minor league deal and not risk losing guys to waivers. It also doesn't count as a release, which is significant because players released after Labor Day can't be added back to your major league roster until May.
• We might get a guy or two on the non-tender bubble avoiding arbitration.

Can't edit for some reason, but Lange's day of reckoning is actually tomorrow. I forgot to mention the Gleyber QO. And finally, injured players can be outrighted today, but cannot be from today until March.

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I actually would like to see RAR rather than WAR regardless of how the stat is constructed.  I think of Wins as more of team stat.  Players don't win games by themselves.  They win partial games by producing and preventing runs.  And it's pretty easy to translate into wins if someone favors that.  It's basically just dividing by 10 (as you suggested in your post).  

Player's individual accomplishments do contribute to run totals, runs do contribute to wins, and there's good research indicating that ten marginal runs contributed by a player results in a win, so I think it's valid to express it in wins.

Edited 6 hours ago by chasfh

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

For the casual fan, I agree wins sounds good, but then I can imagine someone asking: "which games did he win"? 

I view this as a question different from, "how many wins did he contribute to?"

[RatkoVarda]

12 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

If Jud Fabian becomes a minor league fa, I want him. 

Harris doesn't want him; 3 years in a row with K rate over 31%

[Tenacious D]

Edman desperately and admirably trying to shift the conversation to potential player transactions only to be dismissed by the WAR squad.  Pretty sure I can speak for Idaho Bert and I when I say, thank you.

[Tenacious D]

I really hope Carly hyphenates her name, as well.  Congrats Sawyer—nicely done.

 

[Edman85]

25 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Edman desperately and admirably trying to shift the conversation to potential player transactions only to be dismissed by the WAR squad.  Pretty sure I can speak for Idaho Bert and I when I say, thank you.

Actually I am interested in the WAR talk. I have been meaning to sit down and refresh myself on the inner workings of the different systems.

Having said that, it is a pretty significant week on the roster front. 

[Tiger337]

48 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I view this as a question different from, "how many wins did he contribute to?"

I would assume that a two-win player contributed to a lot more than two wins.  The Tigers theoretically won two more games because Baez was on the team rather than Kreidler, but surely Baez contributed to a lot more wins than two.  I am not sure everyone gets the distinction or even thinks about it, but I have heard people claim things like the Tigers would have lost 100 games if Skubal was not on the team.   

[chasfh]

54 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Harris doesn't want him; 3 years in a row with K rate over 31%

Also, I don't think I have any interest in guaranteeing a 26-man slot to the flawed center fielder with no big league experience who is the #42 guy in the Orioles system.

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

I would assume that a two-win player contributed to a lot more than two wins.

In what way do you mean this?

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Player's individual accomplishments do contribute to run totals, runs do contribute to wins, and there's good research indicating that ten marginal runs contributed by a player results in a win, so I think it's valid to express it in wins.

But I think the correlation between production and actual runs is higher than the correlation between production and wins.   

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

But I think the correlation between production and actual runs is higher

You are basically talking about run or RBI opportunity here, and that is a function of team OBP, or even more specifically the OBP/OPS of players immediately around a player in the lineup, and that's still going to be a variable thing depending on the quality of the team isn't it? At the limits, you can double every time at bat and contribute zero runs if the 3 guys behind you in the lineup bat zero. You can single every time up and produce a run every time if one guy behind you always doubles before the 3rd out, etc.

So the question is how much better is the correlation of procution to runs than wins? I would think you just look at the correlation between runs and wins for that answer - because production to wins should be the product of production to runs times runs to wins?

Edited 5 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Shelton]

26 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I would assume that a two-win player contributed to a lot more than two wins.  The Tigers theoretically won two more games because Baez was on the team rather than Kreidler, but surely Baez contributed to a lot more wins than two.  I am not sure everyone gets the distinction or even thinks about it, but I have heard people claim things like the Tigers would have lost 100 games if Skubal was not on the team.   

I don’t think we need everyone to get it, but I think if you pay enough attention to baseball stats and have heard of WAR, and care enough about it to pay a modicum of attention to it and discuss it, you aren’t the person making that claim at the end of your post. That person should be left alone, and possibly shunned. 

[KL2]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

I really hope Carly hyphenates her name, as well.  Congrats Sawyer—nicely done.

 

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[Tiger337]

52 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I don’t think we need everyone to get it, but I think if you pay enough attention to baseball stats and have heard of WAR, and care enough about it to pay a modicum of attention to it and discuss it, you aren’t the person making that claim at the end of your post. That person should be left alone, and possibly shunned. 

Among my online friends, pretty much all of them meet this definition. In real life, most of them still use pitcher wins to evaluate pitchers. This is why I am online so much! 

[SoCalTiger]

7 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Can't edit for some reason, but Lange's day of reckoning is actually tomorrow. I forgot to mention the Gleyber QO. And finally, injured players can be outrighted today, but cannot be from today until March.

Any guess who we protect ?

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I really hope Carly hyphenates her name, as well.  Congrats Sawyer—nicely done.

 

I really hope Carly is one of those people with a hyphenated name to begin with.

[Edman85]

37 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Any guess who we protect ?

Gun to my head?

Hao Yu Lee

Trei Cruz

Thayron Liranzo

Jake Miller

RJ Petit

 

I also think Torres accepts, so that would require six DFA's.

Tanner Rainey

Sean Guenther

Jack Little

Dugan Darnell

Andy Ibanez

Drew Sommers

 

I would expect anybody DFA'd today to be non-tendered Friday and Little, Darnell, and Sommers to very quickly re-sign to minor league deals.

Edited 3 hours ago by Edman85

[CaliforniaDreaming]

46 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Among my online friends, pretty much all of them meet this definition. In real life, most of them still use pitcher wins to evaluate pitchers. This is why I am online so much! 

You are very gracious to keep your real life friends as friends, because that is a pretty major flaw in their character.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

Do you guys want Torres to accept the QO? I'm kind of leaning towards no as I want to see some young guys in the lineup and get that pick. But curious what you guys think.

[Cruzer1]

44 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Gun to my head?

Hao Yu Lee

Trei Cruz

Thayron Liranzo

Jake Miller

RJ Petit

 

I also think Torres accepts, so that would require six DFA's.

Tanner Rainey

Sean Guenther

Jack Little

Dugan Darnell

Andy Ibanez

Drew Sommers

 

I would expect anybody DFA'd today to be non-tendered Friday and Little, Darnell, and Sommers to very quickly re-sign to minor league deals.

Spot-on. 

[kdog]

Gleyber has accepted the QO per Heyman.

Edited 2 hours ago by kdog

[SoCalTiger]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Gun to my head?

Hao Yu Lee

Trei Cruz

Thayron Liranzo

Jake Miller

RJ Petit

 

I also think Torres accepts, so that would require six DFA's.

Tanner Rainey

Sean Guenther

Jack Little

Dugan Darnell

Andy Ibanez

Drew Sommers

 

I would expect anybody DFA'd today to be non-tendered Friday and Little, Darnell, and Sommers to very quickly re-sign to minor league deals.

THANK YOU

[kdog]

Imanaga accepts QO from the Cubs; Woodruff accepts QO from Milwaukee.

[SoCalTiger]

38 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said:

Spot-on. 

As usual