Deleterious Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 14 hours ago, buddha said: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34098510/sources-dallas-mavericks-acquire-christian-wood-houston-rockets-26th-pick-nba-draft-4-players christian wood to the mavs for the #26 pick and salary filler. does that set a market for grant? houston just piling up draft picks. how long until were all surprised when we find out the pistons owe them a #1 pick for trevor ariza and isaiah stewart? I was just looking up the protections on that pick and apparently it now belongs to OKC. It was traded last year in the Sengun trade. FWIW, here are the protections. Quote Detroit's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via Houston) protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Vecenie and Pennie did another mock on their podcast where they make each pick. A little goofy since Sam took Chet #1 and his reason was it would be silly for him not to pick the #1 guy on his board. Anyway, he picked Mathurin for Detroit at #5 and Murray was still on the board. I time stamped the video to start right at the Pistons pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 The one interesting thing about the Pistons pick. He mentions Mathurin, obviously. He also mentions Murray, Daniels, and even Sochan. Sharpe isn't mentioned by Sam at all, and Pennie just throws his name in at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Deleterious said: I was just looking up the protections on that pick and apparently it now belongs to OKC. It was traded last year in the Sengun trade. FWIW, here are the protections. great, so it will end up being shai gilgeous alexander again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Interesting... https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267398/Jaden-Ivey-Would-Prefer-Kings-Dont-Draft-Him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Betrayer said: Interesting... https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267398/Jaden-Ivey-Would-Prefer-Kings-Dont-Draft-Him so ivey is smarter than we may have thought. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, buddha said: so ivey is smarter than we may have thought. I love the post that one of the commentators of the article put, to paraphrase "The first question the NBA should use in their concussion protocol is 'Do you want to play for the Kings'" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 https://theathletic.com/3365655/2022/06/16/nba-draft-2022-top-75-prospects/ Hollinger's latest big board. Since its him I don't know if it's more analytical or scouting based, reading through some of the reports it has a bit of both but not sure how much it sways to either side. He has tier 1 guys as 1. Jabari 2. Paulo Tier 2 3.Ivey 4. Chet Tier 3 5. Mathurin 6. Sharpe 7. Murray Tier 4 Sochan, 9. Daniels 10. Minott 11. Wesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I love the post that one of the commentators of the article put, to paraphrase "The first question the NBA should use in their concussion protocol is 'Do you want to play for the Kings'" I saw that too - good line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1984Echoes Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Deleterious said: I hope that means that if CHET falls to 5 that they are NOT going to consider him anyways... Or if Pancho or Ivey fall to 5... is that a discussion? Let's say it's Jabari, Chet, Mathurin (surprise!) and 1 of Pancho or Ivey is selected with the other falling to #5... If Ivey falls... him, or Keegan? If Pancho falls, him or Keegan? (If Keegan somehow slips into the top 4, replace the choices with Mathurin or ______). Just wondering what everyone else thinks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 PS: I mean, it's obvious that they are at the mercy of who gets selected in the top 4. But that sounds like "code" for what if Ivey falls to us, or Chet, or Pancho? That's why I asked that question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) I'm sure most of Weaver's top 4 are projected to go before 5 (assuming that Ivey is a part of that top 4) so he'll need one of them to fall to get his guy i.e at the mercy of the board. The closer we get to this thing, the more I hope Ivey falls. He has some serious deficiencies but he has the star potential that Murray and Mathurin just don't have and you need stars to win in this league. I wavered on this for a while and had Mathurin over Ivey earlier in the process but now I'm on Ivey. The shooting can be worked on but that natural elite athleticism and attack mentality is too enticing to turn down. Not to mention that Ivey actually wants to be here. I still have a hard time believing that the Kings won't maximize the value of that pick by taking the long term upside in Ivey or trading the pick for a haul but it's the Kings so who knows. Edited June 20, 2022 by NYLion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I hope that means that if CHET falls to 5 that they are NOT going to consider him anyways... People look at his matchstick build and just assume he's going to be outmuscled in the NBA, but the dude can play. He can do a lot of valuable things in today's game. He's not going to be wrestling for position in the paint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Longgone said: ... just assume he's going to be outmuscled in the NBA... That's exactly my assumption and I'm just not interested. I would say he's probably going to be a really good regular season player and a dud playoff player. And will be off the court 50% of the time due to injuries... But I'm just guessing. I'm not interested. Even if he falls to #5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 the pistons would absolutely take chet at 5. but he won't be there. imagine chet as robert williams for the celtics, except with the ability to make a basket outside of 2 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 hours ago, NYLion said: I'm sure most of Weaver's top 4 are projected to go before 5 (assuming that Ivey is a part of that top 4) so he'll need one of them to fall to get his guy i.e at the mercy of the board. The closer we get to this thing, the more I hope Ivey falls. He has some serious deficiencies but he has the star potential that Murray and Mathurin just don't have and you need stars to win in this league. I wavered on this for a while and had Mathurin over Ivey earlier in the process but now I'm on Ivey. The shooting can be worked on but that natural elite athleticism and attack mentality is too enticing to turn down. Not to mention that Ivey actually wants to be here. I still have a hard time believing that the Kings won't maximize the value of that pick by taking the long term upside in Ivey or trading the pick for a haul but it's the Kings so who knows. Mathurin also has elite athleticism and has actually shown the ability to shoot from the outside as well as wreak havoc in transition. Yes his ability off the dribble needs work but I think he has just as good of chance to develop that to his game as Ivey has to be a legitimate shooter in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I think the pick is either Ivey or Murray, whichever the Kings don't take. This draft starts at #4 with the Kings pick. As for the Kings, if the rumors are true and they really want Murray - which they should since he has a high floor, they just traded away Haliburton to make it the Fox show, and Ivey is rumored to not want to go to the Kings - then they're in a tight spot. The only options they have are to just take Murray at #4 or trade with us, because if Ivey is off the board then Murray isn't falling past us at #5. Kind of puts us in the driver's seat if we're happy with either player. As for Mathurin, he's a great prospect, but in my opinion the Pistons are viewing him in that later range of 7-12 alongside guys like Sharpe, Daniels, and Duren if they can get a second pick for Grant. I don't see him being taken at #5 with Ivey or Murray on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Zach Harper of The Athletic has them taking Mathurin at 5, Murray at 4, with Ivey slipping to Spurs at 9. That would be surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 The Sam Vecenie draft guide came out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 Givony and Vecenie both released new mocks today. Givony has us taking Mathurin and Vecenie has us taking Murray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Betrayer Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Beat writers are saying that Weaver's camp plays this way closer to the vest than previous front offices. I'm not sure how much real info we're getting right now and how much is smokescreen. Makes sense, particularly in this draft with there's a very slim margin between these players and you've got a team ahead of you and a bunch behind you that may want to make moves. You want to keep as much leverage as possible. It is interesting nonetheless that the Sharpe talk has really died down. Pistons will come away with Ivey, Murray, or maybe Mathurin (I think this only happens if they trade down). I don't think we'll see Sharpe unless the Pistons get a second pick, but even then it just feels like this front office would rather let someone else take that chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) After reading some of Sam's guide about Ivey it makes me feel better about him if we do indeed draft him. I trust Sam's opinion so by him putting him in the top tier and saying that he believes he will be a capable outside shooter at the next level it does ease my concerns about that aspect of his game and in turn him as a player. I still think I'd rather have Murray or Mathurin just cause I love the potential immediate contribution they can bring and I feel that they offer a better combination of fit and floor than Ivey while also possessing enough upside to warrant the number 5 pick but after reading Sam's guide I would totally be fine if we do indeed end up with Jaden. Edited June 22, 2022 by RandyMarsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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