papalawrence Posted August 2 Posted August 2 If this is the haul for Skubal, I doubt Mize's return would be much over what a comp pick would be worth Quote
mtutiger Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I didn't say they can't be beat, but they have won the last two World Series and have played in 5 of the last 9 because they can just go out and give $700 million to Ohtani, and sign Freeman, Betts and now Skubal. With Freeman and Betts aging, they can just sign/trade for their replacements. Teams like the Tigers have to execute perfectly on their drafting and developing or else they will be in perpetual rebuild like they were after they traded Verlander. The Mets, Padres, other orgs have spent a lot of money over the past number of seasons to less success. The Dodgers have a lot of money, but they also are a smart organization that focuses on identifying talent in trades with other organizations and develops them while they are in their organization. It isn't just about about the money, they also are sitting in a position where they can make the trade today, with multiple players inside of MLB's Top 100 prospects included, and still be one of the best farms in the game after the trade. Edited August 2 by mtutiger 2 Quote
Hongbit Posted August 2 Posted August 2 The more I look at Ryan, the more I like him. I suspect this was more of Harris/Greenberg selecting him than the Dodgers not wanting to give up some of their other piospecrs. He’s also big league ready once his hamstring heals. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 With the Skubal trade out of the way, there’s going to be a frenzy for the remaining scraps now—so I wouldn’t be shocked if we could get a strong return for Casey. Quote
papalawrence Posted August 2 Posted August 2 2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Tigers don’t need to deal Mize. Of course, but he was scratched yesterday and he's been linked to teams in trades. Now I don’t see Det trading him Quote
Tigermojo Posted August 2 Author Posted August 2 Trade the old farts and win the division anyway! 2 Quote
papalawrence Posted August 2 Posted August 2 The haul isn't much better than the JV trade. The results have to be better 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 My go to guy for pitching analysis - Nick Pollack - loves Ryan if he's healthy. "elite fastball and absurd breaking pitches". That makes me feel a little better. "If healthy" is familiar theme though! Quote
holygoat Posted August 2 Posted August 2 30 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: So you're saying, in your opinion, he's a can't miss prospect? When a huge percent of prospects do miss... I don't see where he said anything about Hope being a "can't miss prospect" in the post you quoted. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 6 minutes ago, papalawrence said: The haul isn't much better than the JV trade. The results have to be better We won't know for a few years. Maybe more than a few because of Smith. Most of these types of trades don't work out so well but we can hope (pun intended). Quote
Tenacious D Posted August 2 Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: My go to guy for pitching analysis - Nick Pollack - loves Ryan if he's healthy. "elite fastball and absurd breaking pitches". That makes me feel a little better. "If healthy" is familiar theme though! “If healthy” was also the rap on Skubal. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: “If healthy” was also the rap on Skubal. And hundreds of other pitchers. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted August 2 Posted August 2 18 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The Mets, Padres, other orgs have spent a lot of money over the past number of seasons to less success. The Dodgers have a lot of money, but they also are a smart organization that focuses on identifying talent in trades with other organizations and develops them while they are in their organization. It isn't just about about the money, they also are sitting in a position where they can make the trade today, with multiple players inside of MLB's Top 100 prospects included, and still be one of the best farms in the game after the trade. Just because the Mets haven't won doesn't mean they don't have an advantage over other teams. Cleveland is a better team if they could have afforded to keep Lindor. The Mets not winning with Lindor is irrelevant. Quote
papalawrence Posted August 2 Posted August 2 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: And hundreds of other pitchers. Like Franklin Perez Quote
papalawrence Posted August 2 Posted August 2 This is also a win for LAD because now Milwaukee, Philadelphia or the Cubs don't get him Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 20 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: We won't know for a few years. Maybe more than a few because of Smith. Most of these types of trades don't work out so well but we can hope (pun intended). I would have prefered one useful relief pitcher! Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I would have prefered one useful relief pitcher! That might be Ryan! Although I think he'll start for now. The relief pitcher for this year might be Jobe. Edited August 2 by Tiger337 Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 FanGraphs has Ryan as the #22 prospect and Hope at #57, so which one is the real headliner? Quote
Tenacious D Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Ryan probably goes into the rotation. Depending on when Flaherty comes back and any other moves take place, this looks like the updated rotation: Mize/Valdez/Melton/Flaherty/Ryan Jobe and Montero to the bullpen. 1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted August 2 Posted August 2 I also think we see Hope and Briceno in the lineup at some point next season. Building a nice core with McGonigle, Clark, Dingler, Greene and eventually, Rainer. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: Ryan probably goes into the rotation. Depending on when Flaherty comes back and any other moves take place, this looks like the updated rotation: Mize/Valdez/Melton/Flaherty/Ryan Jobe and Montero to the bullpen. Ryan last threw 90 pitches in mid June. He's not going to drop into a starting slot without build up rehab. If they want it quicker it will be in the bullpen. Quote
Tigermojo Posted August 2 Author Posted August 2 Big question marks on the LA guys. Hope traded twice already. Ryan 200 IP in how many years? Last guy is just a lottery ticket. Better than a comp pick but I doubt this is what people were hoping for. Maybe we'll get to see Skubal in Detroit at the end of August. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted August 2 Posted August 2 We traded for power. Hope has tons of it and both pitchers have high octane fastballs. heck even if both end up in the bullpen it's a win. We all wanted more because Skubal is great and a Tiger but the Brewers didn't really have an outfielder to trade and we have infielders and need a right fielder who can reach the seats in Comerica. And I know it doesn't really matter but having a potential black star in Detroit doesn't hurt. Hope has good speed and a strong right fielders arm as well. The trade for me is a solid B to B+ . Now trade Mize and Torres Mr. Harris . Pedal to the metal. 1 Quote
slothfacekilla Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Feels ironic the Tigers got Hope since it’s the opposite of what the trade gave me. Quote
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