NYLion Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Man, I didn't realize Sewell was ineffective and injured. I edited the post after you quoted it. Care to dispute any of my points? The team is 4-17 under Holmes and I know it's a rebuild but it's fair to start criticizing him when you're not seeing progress in Year 2 mainly because his players aren't contributing. Campbell and Glenn catch a ton of shit yet Holmes seems to get a free pass for some reason. Edited October 21, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NYLion said: I edited the post after you quoted it. Care to dispute any of my points? The team is 4-17 under Holmes and I know it's a rebuild but it's fair to start criticizing him when you're not seeing progress in Year 2 mainly because his players aren't contributing. I literally have disputed your nonsense about the free agents. They were roster filler for a team that is rebuilding. Had they resigned Golladay to the contract he received from the Giants, that would be one thing. The team is being rebuilt through the draft. I expect them to be more aggressive in free agency in the coming years. Holmes inherited a 5 win team that had to trade their franchise QB. On top of that, we still haven't received all the picks from that trade. It's pretty clear this is a 3-4 year plan as they drafted a WR who we all knew would be limited this year. On top of that, Quinn left a lot of dead weight on the roster in Flowers, Collins, James etc that had to be cut and added to the dead cap so they were hamstrung a bit by the cap. Edited October 21, 2022 by Motown Bombers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Man, I didn't realize Sewell was ineffective and injured. I see the post was edited after I mentioned Sewell. I wouldn't say "fell into his lap" It certainly wasn't a slam dunk pick. The Lions already had a good LT and Fields and Smith were available and no one would have been upset at the time if the Lions took either one. Even Parsons could have been taken there. In fact I seem to remember some people being very upset that Fields wasn't taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I literally have disputed your nonsense about the free agents. They were roster filler for a team that is rebuilding. Had they resigned Golladay to the contract he received from the Giants, that would be one thing. The team is being rebuilt through the draft. I expect them to be more aggressive in free agency in the coming years. Holmes inherited a 5 win team that had to trade their franchise QB. On top of that, we still haven't received all the picks from that trade. It's pretty clear this is a 3-4 year plan as they drafted a WR who we all knew would be limited this year. On top of that, Quinn left a lot of dead weight on the roster in Flowers, Collins, James etc that had to be cut and added to the dead cap so they were hamstrung a bit by the cap. They were signed to be the Lions top two receivers. Yeah, they were only signed as stopgaps but they were still failed signings, even if it's on a smaller scale. Chark was a bigger signing and he's been a disappointment thus far. Debate all you want about the meaning of a rebuild or whatnot but Holmes failed with these signings, I don't even know why that's being debated or even called "nonsense" for some reason. I get that it's a long term rebuild but as of right now where we stand today, very few of Holmes draft picks/signings are making any impact. My general point is, at what point does Holmes deserve some criticism? I find it interesting that some Lions fans are absolving him of blame yet have no problem throwing Campbell and Glenn in front of the firing squad as if they're supposed to get more out of this patchwork roster although, yes, they've made their fair share of errors as well. Edited October 21, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RedRamage said: In fact I seem to remember some people being very upset that Fields wasn't taken. I think the general consensus was elation that Sewell fell to the Lions. The Fields love was mainly knowing that Sewell would likely be gone by 7 and that it would likely be a choice between Waddle, Smith, Parsons, Slater or one of the QBs. Edited October 21, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 both things can be true: 1) the lions have signed free agents to be stop gaps in the rebuilding process; and 2) those signings have been failures. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, NYLion said: I edited the post after you quoted it. Care to dispute any of my points? The team is 4-17 under Holmes and I know it's a rebuild but it's fair to start criticizing him when you're not seeing progress in Year 2 mainly because his players aren't contributing. Campbell and Glenn catch a ton of shit yet Holmes seems to get a free pass for some reason. I think you're forgetting some free agents that Holmes brought in that have made significant contributions: Charles Harris and Jamaal Williams, for example, where big impact players last year and have also contributed majorly this year. Anzalone and Raymond have also been regular contributors while not really star players they have done their part. Josh Reynolds was also a mid-season pickup who's been a good addition to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, buddha said: both things can be true: 1) the lions have signed free agents to be stop gaps in the rebuilding process; and 2) those signings have been failures. Yes, that's all I'm saying. I understand the reasoning behind the signing but it doesn't mean they weren't failed signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 breshard perriman, dj chark (so far), the brockers trade, the trinity benson trade. failures. the anzalone and raymond re-signings are questionable as well. failing to upgrade linebacker has hurt them. i would add that the "getting the whole gang back together" offseason strategy from a 3-13-1 team and expecting different results has not been successful so far either. especially on defense. but again, this all must be taken in full context. 1) they are still rebuilding and still dont have the biggest piece of all: a qb; 2) it doesnt make a lot of sense to bring in big time free agent players if you dont expect to contend; 3) they are devastated by injuries to multiple key players on offense and defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RedRamage said: I think you're forgetting some free agents that Holmes brought in that have made significant contributions: Charles Harris and Jamaal Williams, for example, where big impact players last year and have also contributed majorly this year. Anzalone and Raymond have also been regular contributors while not really star players they have done their part. Josh Reynolds was also a mid-season pickup who's been a good addition to the team. I don't know how I forgot about Jamaal but Harris has been a ghost outside of the Commies game (and who doesn't look good against them), I'm talking about Year 2 contributors btw, Harris was good last year. Anal Zone and Raymond are not feathers in his cap. Edit: Reynolds has been a good find. Holmes has a few decent signings now that I think about it. It just feels like such an empty cupboard and hard to see much positive the way this season is going. I do want to see what this team looks like when they get some healthy bodies back. Cominsky was very good before getting injured, nice to see Paschal back as well. Edited October 21, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, RedRamage said: I think you're forgetting some free agents that Holmes brought in that have made significant contributions: Charles Harris and Jamaal Williams, for example, where big impact players last year and have also contributed majorly this year. Anzalone and Raymond have also been regular contributors while not really star players they have done their part. Josh Reynolds was also a mid-season pickup who's been a good addition to the team. harris has been decent. williams has done a job. reynolds has had flashes of decent play. youre right that those should all be counted as successes, imo. craig reynolds too. some of the corners have done solid work as udfa players. i wouldnt put anzalone and raymond in that category. i think those two are marginal nfl players and easily upgradeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RandyMarsh Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Btw Dak has confirmed he will be back for this one, not surprised cause he was probably salivating at the chance to play our defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Btw Dak has confirmed he will be back for this one, not surprised cause he was probably salivating at the chance to play our defense. A lot of QBs struggle to come back from this injury. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 lions have had two weeks to prepare, i expect a good showing. (famous last words) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 8 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: A lot of QBs struggle to come back from this injury. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not 100% If there's been any franchise that can make QBs shine it's the Lions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Glad this got taken care of. I was worried for a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 11:55 AM, RedRamage said: In fact I seem to remember some people being very upset that Fields wasn't taken. One guy IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Glad this got taken care of. I was worried for a minute. The Jason Hanson of our time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 chark on IR. out for the next four games. he'll come back in five weeks but stub his toe and be out for the season. $10 million in the bank for 7 catches. that's nice work if you can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, buddha said: chark on IR. out for the next four games. he'll come back in five weeks but stub his toe and be out for the season. $10 million in the bank for 7 catches. that's nice work if you can get it. I wouldn't count on him returning at all. That's his surgically repaired ankle that's acting up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Reports saying that swift is out tomorrow. My god is that guy a puss ball. Made of freaking glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 15 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: The Jason Hanson of our time. Highest paid punter... but does anyone go for it on fourth down more frequently than Dan Campbell's Lions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 12:01 PM, buddha said: both things can be true: 1) the lions have signed free agents to be stop gaps in the rebuilding process; and 2) those signings have been failures. and it has been true on defense, except for Cominsky so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 16 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: The Jason Hanson of our time. Holmes had an older Jason Hanson in Prater and stupidly let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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