1984Echoes

Oh, also... let me break that down just a bit more: Baddoo 400 PA's (250 LF, 150 CF) Grossman 550 PA's (300 LF, 150 DH, 100 RF) Hill, 350 PA's, all CF. Greene 600 PA's (500 RF, 50 CF, 50 DH) Call up Reyes or Cameron and you can sprinkle a few more PA's in there...

And if anyone takes note of what I just said: I have Grossman as the 4th OF'er but with more PA's than either Baddoo or Hill..

Here are the limitations that I see: Grossman is good. But he's not great. Not dynamic in any area. He has good plate discipline and gets on base... but only nominal power and not much BA. He's also 33 next year, so he's not on any upswing. His OBP, professionalism, bit-of-speed, and that he's a switch-hitter gives him PA's. But there are limitations in his profile. Baddoo is dynamic. But struggles against lefties (.526 OPS versus .846 against righties), which suggests a platoon at this point, and is not as fluid in the field as you would think, nor has much of an arm for CF. Best in LF, but can cover CF if needed. Grossman should take 100% of his PA's against lefties at this point (.848 OPS against lefties versus .738 OPS against righties). Hill is a dynamic centerfielder. But has trouble staying healthy. Not much BA, he does have a little pop in his bat but not enough for anyone to take notice. Very few PA's so far in MLB so he's unproven there. Same with on the basepaths... he has speed, but what's he going to do with it? In 139 AB's this year: .259 BA, 3 doubles 3 triples 3 HR's = .702 OPS. If he bumps that up to .750, and can stay healthy, that may = most of the CF PA's in 2022. If Hill sits some against tough righties and Baddoo takes those PA's, then Grossman can be the leftie bat in LF whilst Baddoo covers CF. Greene is not coming up to MLB to be a 4th OF'er. Who the heck suggested that? If he comes up, he's a 90-95% starter. Maybe he gets some days off and Grossman plays instead... but 9 out of 10 games Greene is starting. IF Hill can hold onto CF, Greene is the starter in RF. If Hill can NOT hold onto CF, then Greene may take over as the starter there, and Grossman becomes a regular in RF. At that point (if Hill is in rehab at AAA or something), then we're looking at giving another OF'er a chance, such as Cameron or Reyes. Also, one other point: If Miggy is still on the team and playing 1B, any of the above bats except Hill can take over the DH spot for some PA's. I'll let Hinch sort out all of the above... But on a guess, based on the above and between the 3 OF spots and some DH-duty: Baddoo ends up with 400 PA's, Grossman 550 PA's, Hill 350 PA's, and Greene 600 PA's...

And then there's this as well...

You mean like when 600,000 Americans died from Covid because Trump blew it off?

In other words: Good Riddance.

And on that point: Odds... Mize hasn't reached his full potential yet. So we're not getting top dollar for him. Another year or two, when he starts pushing for CY's, his price goes WAY up. Then we can speak about what his true trade value is. We'd be selling him cheap right now because the Mariners ain't offering Marte, Rodriguez & Lewis for him. Neither is any other team.

And a team is not going to offer it's top two position prospects for Mize, plus another MLB OF'er to boot. It's like us offering Willi Castro to the Blue Jays for Guerrero and Bichette and them saying "yeah, OK, sure." There is no reality whatsoever to the example Edman gave. It's complete BS. And on the other note: Yeah, every player is tradeable for the right price... but you can't end up with a team of 5 1B'Man and 1 starter. That's asinine. There IS something called "building a team". So my statement stands.

Nope. Not wrong.

And he doesn't cost Casey Mize.

Greene will be the starter out of ST. Grossman as "4th OF'er" doesn't mean that he doesn't end up with the most PA's as an OF'er... because he could. Baddoo looks like a platoon lefty at this point, and kid gloves with Greene means lots of Grossman time. And Hill may start in CF (this is what I believe will happen) but Baddoo will be sprinkled in liberally, or Greene will, in CF. Forget the ugly term "4th OF'er", by PA's, I think Grossman will be 2nd-ish in PA's out of those 4 OF's.

Let me be more demonstrative: I am not interested in 5 All-Star 1B'man and 1 All-Star Starting Pitcher. I am interested in 5 All-Star Starting Pitchers and 1 All-Star 1B'man. Makes no sense to trade Mize-Manning or Skubal. There are ALTERNATIVE methods to add bats without creating a massive hole in the rotation.

I don't think we're looking for a 4th OF'er next year. Maybe a 5th. I believe we start out the season with Baddoo in LF, Hill in CF, Greene in RF. And Grossman is the 4th with Hinch flopping the 4 of them around PA's/ matchups as needed. Cameron, Robson and Reyes in Toledo until needed in Detroit. Or... one of them makes it as a 5th OF'er...

If you end up with zero pitching, that's an asinine trade.

But no reason to dump until they get a replacement. And, just personally, I'd rather build up the team next year with WR's, CB's and LB'ers... And hunt our "QB-of-the-future" the following year... UNLESS one of 2022's QB's turns out to be "can't-miss/ once-in-a-generation" but... I don't think any of them are all that at this point. Doesn't say 2023 will get one or two of those but... if no one stands out, then I wait until 2023...

Trading Mize right now would be asinine.

Lions win. Book it.

We have Goff under contract for 2023 so drafting a QB that year still puts him underneath Goff for that year to learn...

Nice! Now... Get better. Reduce HR's. And pitch more innings/ more innings/game.

Does... Dick-sucking fascist wannabe count?

Holy crap!!! Without knowing... I would've sworn that was Thom...!

Grooming him to take over Boyd's spot to start next year. 5th starter until at least July-ish...

Nothingburger.

Oh wait... Yeah, they're pretty dishonest too. Mostly, but not exclusively, on the Republican side from what I can see.

No... Just corrupt.