RandyMarsh

Also to add to this at the time that draft was viewed much in the same regard as this coming one, one of the worst ones in recent history with really no definitive superstars. Multiple outlets actually had Killian as one of the rare ones that could potentially get there even if it was noted that he was a risk. Again though ultimately it's your job to pick the right guys regardless of situations but I think all things considered I do think there is atleast some explanation or excuse for drafting Killian. I think it's much less egregious than Stan taking Stanley Johnson with Winslow and Booker still on the board.

Also I will add that I guess ultimately it is your job to find the best player regardless of the situation I think he does deserve atleast some what of a pass due to the nature of that 2020 draft and everything that was going on in the world. With the short seasons and IIRC combine and other pre draft things being limited it did make things tougher to scout and prepare for in that draft. OTOH because of that it probably wasn't the best draft to trade up twice like he did because of those reasons.

Definitely glad he didn't go to the Yankees. I was 12 years old then and he was my favorite player(well aside from Fielder who everybody loved in my age group) but I didn't pay any attention to off the field stuff nor really how well they looked from a health standpoint. I just watched them at the plate and if they did well there that was good enough for me, paid no attention if they were always banged up or were struggling in the field etc and certainly didn't pay any attention to offseason rumors.

BTW I think most of the big national lists are done with now and from what I can gather the Tigers have 7 different guys make atleast one of the top 100s with Clark,Jobe,Jung,Keith,Meadows, McGonigle and JHM plus Ty Madden came in at 107 on ESPN's list so right on the cusp. Having 8 different guys viewed that highly seems like the most we have had in decades cause even a few years when our system was rated as one of the best I believe it was more due to the top 4 or 5 guys and then a big drop off after that. A really impressive turnaround in just a year or 2 after Harris took over. The previous regime definitely deserves some credit since some of the player development improvements started under them but I think Harris and Co. took it to another level.

I definitely think they could pull it financially and still keep whomever they were planning on keeping anyway but the problem(s) or risk for me come from the fact that they likely wouldn't be able to go outside the organization and bring in any help for things like the secondary and also the implications down the road by not having a 1st round pick. By that I mean you always want to have a cycle of young players that you can just plug in when your veterans are up for big contracts so you can either not pay those big contracts and plug in the young player or supplement any shortcomings on your roster from having said contracts with those young players. So by giving up a 1st that is one less player that we can do that with in 2 years when things may end up being a lot tighter for us payroll wise. But short term there is no doubt that the move makes us a lot better if Bosa is on the field cause it's highly unlikely who ever we pick with the 1st would have the impact he will the next 2 years.

Speaking of Dinwiddie I lose track of who was making the picks but it's kinda funny how in the 2010s we seemed to actually be relatively good at drafting 2nd round picks with him, Bruce Brown and Khris Middleton. Probably had more success than our 1st round picks in that time.

I keep waiting for the Clippers implosion just cause I hate Harden so much but to his credit they have been one of the best teams in the league since he got there. Of course I don't know if that is because of him or just cause Kawhi is actually healthy and playing every night this year vs. the previous few years but regardless they have been really good thus far.

I think most will agree that his drafting/player development has been the biggest issue. I put player development cause it's hard to say if those draft picks were just destined to fail regardless or would have been the right picks if they were in better situations and developed better but regardless we just haven't gotten enough out of our 1st round picks. Outside of Killian they all have had their moments but atleast to this point they just haven't shown them consistently enough to justify their selection outside of probably Cade but even he has had the obvious injury issues. I think if we hit on more of those 8 1sts he has used we probably wouldn't even be discussing any other potential issues cause we'd be looking at a playoff team right now or atleast a team that looks like they are heading in the right direction.

I saw somebody mention that and I think the host was Keegan-Michael Kay, a Detroit native and Huge Lions fans(think he was on the sideline for all the playoff games). It probably felt good for him to use that joke since for years the Lions would usually be the ones on the butt end of a line like that.

Yeah it may have just been internet/radio rumors, I can't remember exactly but my memory tells me that there was alot of talk that dealine but my memory has certainly been wrong before.

I saw one of the fan sites(probably Bleacher Report) throw out the scenario where we trade a first for Joey Bosa. At first I didn't think it was that bad of idea until I looked closer at Bosa's numbers and to me a 1st along with having to pay him 27 million each of the next 2 seasons isn't worth it. I do think the Chargers may consider it though since they reportedly are in a tough cap situation and that is a big number that they can get rid of. Also for the Lions it isn't that big of deal since they have the space the next couple years, but he's just been too banged up the last few years for me to feel comfortable giving up a 1st(even though it's a late one) for him. Especially since we may only have him for 2 years. I feel with how coveted those are we could potentially use that to find a more reliable player or just use it and draft a younger cheaper player that will be here longer. If I felt confident that he'd be healthy and be on the field every game or atleast nearly every game I may be for it cause he's still a force when he is out there and pairing him with Hutch would obviously be a deadly combination but I think that's too much of a risk at this point to give up a 1st and pay that salary for 2 years.

I don't know if it would fall under "wasted assets" but one move or lack there of that always sticks out to me was not trading Jerami Grant that first deadline we had him. Admittedly some of it is hindsight but I think most of it was common sense and something that reasonably should have been expected. Also there is the caveat that this comes with rumors and I don't know if there was any truth or concrete deals. Anyway At the time if you were to believe the rumors there were quite a few would be offers for Grant that deadline since he was under control for 2 1/2 years at a good rate and was performing well above his contract at the time. It appeared that he was coming into his own here and could command a really good return that could help the future. Seeing as we were still atleast 2 years away it didn't make a whole lot of sense in my mind to keep him cause by the time we were competitive he'd be up for a new contract anyway so if we really could get a haul for him it was a no brainer to trade him. OTOH in Weaver's defense I don't know what that "haul" was, maybe it wasn't that good and maybe Weaver felt that if Grant continued this efficient strong play he could command more in the offseason or next deadline since it would be a bigger sample size of strong play. Also it is worth noting that he was still able to essentially get a lottery pick so he atleast extracted some value but IF there truly were these pie in the sky offers like some of the rumors suggested I think it's fair to say he left alot on the table when given our team position at that time it made a ton of sense to sell him.

Yeah they aren't the easiest to find but it's just wild to me that we've had some relatively highly rated guys but just about all of them have come with the caveat that they can't play defense, like I know it's really tough to find a true two way guy that can hit and is also great in the field but you think we'd be able to find some that at the very least would come with something like "He may never win a gold glove but at the very least he should be able to field a corner position competently". From Nick to Tork to now Keith, JHM and Jung they all seem to not even come with that back ground.

Sweet Lou missed alot of time but his OPS+ was much higher than his career rate in each of his last 5 seasons. I was too young to really remember how well he looked out there though but judging by his rate stats it certainly appeared that he had plenty left in the tank.

To me the most glaring thing is how we have gotten worse every year under him, I get that when you choose to bottom out you are going to get worse before you get better but we've been in a consistent nose dive since we first bottomed out(or so we thought at the time bottomed out). I go back to the year we finished last and ended up getting Cade, if you look at that year yeah we finished with the worst record but we won quite a few games against good teams and overall were about as competitive as a last place team can be. Since then every year we've gotten a little worse instead of getting getting better like you would expect. Thankfully it seems like we are improving as this year has gone on so that is one positive, lets see if we can maintain that the rest of the year though or if this is just a "good" 3 week stretch.

One of the more underappreciated baseball players of the last 40-50 years imo.

I mentioned it before but its crazy to me how the Tigers can never seem to find a prospect that projects to be a two way player. By two way player I mean atleast can hold his own at a position, not necessarily even being plus or anything. Outside of Greene every prospect we've had in the past say 15 years they've all seem to essentially be position less or destined to DH.

If you're horrible offensively your defense automatically gets overembelished. Its like people figure that you suck so bad offensively you must bring something to the table defensively. If it's not your defense they praise then you usually get labeled something like "scrappy" or a "glue guy".

Maybe the Pistons analytic departments came up with an algorithm where Troy types in his proposed trade and sends it out but before the other team receives it the program changes it so it is the exact opposite of what he proposed.

Ivey turning into Steph Curry from the deep the last few weeks has been an unexpected surprise. The bad news though is that he went 7-7 from deep yesterday but 1-16 from inside the arc. Oh well still averaged well over a point an attempt so I'll take that.

What happened with him? Admittedly I'm not the best at scouting defense so maybe he has always been horrible but I felt like last year when I watched him he looked pretty good considering his age and experience level. I felt like he actually could potentially be one of the those guys that could stay on the floor if we ever made the playoffs but apparently that was completely off base on my part.

BTW Ragnow came out and said flat out that he isn't retiring so we an put that pretty baseless speculation to rest.

Worse pick Stanley Johnson or Killian Hayes?

I'm pretty sure Weaver has traded away and received like a 100 different 2nd round picks since he has been here.

They definitely have been playing better the past month or so and maybe not having Cade is part of that but I also just think they are progressing back to their mean. Like as bad as the team is they weren't worst team in the history of team sports bad like they were playing so now they are starting to find their true level which is merely "just" being your run of the mill bottom 5 team.