Tiger337 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I used to be dead set against Rose going into the Hall of Fame. Given, how incredibly hypocritical MLB is about gambling though, I really don't care anymore about whether he gets in or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/21/2024 at 12:50 PM, KL2 said: yeah the main issue is the lower-tier guys think they are getting frozen out. Meanwhile the Boras type guys ( in theory the top teir free agents) do just fine. So they are targeting the pal who did the last deal with hopes the new guy better takes care of the younger players. There seems to be a lot of anger about the FAs not being signed so late, but what do they expect? It is the nature of the price mechanism in any market that higher priced products get rejected by buyers as part of the price setting mechanism. The players can fire who they want, it's not going to make teams roll over to give $20M to a 37 yr old DH who wasn't good two years ago and missed 50 games last yr. When JD's offer price met his perceived value, someone signed him. Tony Clark was all hot on 'a free market' in his interview the other day, but freedom does work both ways. And of course to the point above about it not working for younger guys, JD still walks away with 15X the major league minimum where half the guys are. OTOH, Snell's San Diego money not being guaranteed because of a CBA loophole is a more reasonable complaint of a prior negotiating fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I did today's Immaculate Grid using all Tigers players. ⚾️ Immaculate Grid 356 9/9: Rarity: 20 IMMACULATE! 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 Play at: https://immaculategrid.com @immaculategrid x @baseball_ref 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I used to be dead set against Rose going into the Hall of Fame. Given, how incredibly hypocritical MLB is about gambling though, I really don't care anymore about whether he gets in or not. That’s how I feel. My opposition to him is more about how he’s acted in response to it over the decades. Fay Vincent said if he had been upfront with them at the time the punishment wouldn’t have been as bad. I’ve always felt he was more afraid of what else they would find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, oblong said: That’s how I feel. My opposition to him is more about how he’s acted in response to it over the decades. Fay Vincent said if he had been upfront with them at the time the punishment wouldn’t have been as bad. I’ve always felt he was more afraid of what else they would find. There is this: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34364479/pete-rose-dismisses-sexual-misconduct-questions-phillies-bash-was-55-years-ago-babe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I used to be dead set against Rose going into the Hall of Fame. Given, how incredibly hypocritical MLB is about gambling though, I really don't care anymore about whether he gets in or not. If they let Pete Rose back into baseball, then they will have to let every other player run out of the game for gambling back into baseball, too. That includes the Black Sox, and I don't mean just poor Joe Jackson and poor Buck Weaver—I mean Chick Gandil and Swede Risberg, too. All of them. Furthermore, they would never, ever to be able to ban anyone from the game permanently for gambling ever again, even if they bet on their team to lose. Unless they write new legislation specifying things like different penalties for gambling on your team to lose versus gambling on your team to win, which, if they do, then good luck to them on that, because litigating that kind of thing will be a time- and resources-intensive bitch. That's the beauty of the current legislation they have on it: they don't have to figure that part out. Gamble on your team. period? You're out, period. And if it comes to all that, to where players and coaches can start gambling on games they play right out in the open because they'll be able to stay in the game even if they do, then I will walk away from Major League Baseball at that point. Because it will no longer be competition. It will be theater, and I will have no interest in that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 hours ago, oblong said: That’s how I feel. My opposition to him is more about how he’s acted in response to it over the decades. Fay Vincent said if he had been upfront with them at the time the punishment wouldn’t have been as bad. I’ve always felt he was more afraid of what else they would find. I don't see how it would have been up to Fay Vincent to have any discretion about Pete Rose's punishment, since Rule 21(d) is crystal clear about all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 39 minutes ago, chasfh said: If they let Pete Rose back into baseball, then they will have to let every other player run out of the game for gambling back into baseball, too. That includes the Black Sox, and I don't mean just poor Joe Jackson and poor Buck Weaver—I mean Chick Gandil and Swede Risberg, too. All of them. Furthermore, they would never, ever to be able to ban anyone from the game permanently for gambling ever again, even if they bet on their team to lose. Unless they write new legislation specifying things like different penalties for gambling on your team to lose versus gambling on your team to win, which, if they do, then good luck to them on that, because litigating that kind of thing will be a time- and resources-intensive bitch. That's the beauty of the current legislation they have on it: they don't have to figure that part out. Gamble on your team. period? You're out, period. And if it comes to all that, to where players and coaches can start gambling on games they play right out in the open because they'll be able to stay in the game even if they do, then I will walk away from Major League Baseball at that point. Because it will no longer be competition. It will be theater, and I will have no interest in that. How is anyone going to take them seriously if they forbid gambling and promote it at the same time? Let's see if they make a serious investigation of Ohtani or just sweep it under the rug to protect themselves. How do you take them seriously if they do that? They have done a good job punishing wife beaters and sexual predators, but that's only because they don't profit off those activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMU97 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: How is anyone going to take them seriously if they forbid gambling and promote it at the same time? Let's see if they make a serious investigation of Ohtani or just sweep it under the rug to protect themselves. How do you take them seriously if they do that? They have done a good job punishing wife beaters and sexual predators, but that's only because they don't profit off those activities. Let's not forget that both Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle were banned for life for there associations with casinos and then let back into baseball with the next regime (Uberoth). Now baseball is fully in bed with casinos. Rose is a HOF player and should be there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: How is anyone going to take them seriously if they forbid gambling and promote it at the same time? Let's see if they make a serious investigation of Ohtani or just sweep it under the rug to protect themselves. How do you take them seriously if they do that? They have done a good job punishing wife beaters and sexual predators, but that's only because they don't profit off those activities. That’s the $64 question, isn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, CMU97 said: Let's not forget that both Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle were banned for life for there associations with casinos Though those two were 'banned' long after they had been elected to the HOF, neither had pursued a post playing career in managing (Mays did coach a bit), so those 'bans' didn't really have the practical effect that Rose's has. Edited March 24 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 10 hours ago, bobrob2004 said: I did today's Immaculate Grid using all Tigers players. ⚾️ Immaculate Grid 356 9/9: Rarity: 20 IMMACULATE! 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 Play at: https://immaculategrid.com @immaculategrid x @baseball_ref ⚾️ Immaculate Grid 356 9/9: Rarity: 10 IMMACULATE! 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 Play at: https://immaculategrid.com @immaculategrid x @baseball_ref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 9 hours ago, oblong said: That’s how I feel. My opposition to him is more about how he’s acted in response to it over the decades. Fay Vincent said if he had been upfront with them at the time the punishment wouldn’t have been as bad. I’ve always felt he was more afraid of what else they would find. I used to be forgiving of him, but then when he admitted it he A - did it on the day of the HOF announcement, stealing headlines from Fergie Jenkins, the first Canadian inducted, but then he B - Did it to promote a book and then C - Signed the book the next day at a Casino. Once he asked for forgiveness and then turned around and signed at a Casino, I was done with him. Degenerate. Don't care how MLB is cool with gambling now, Rose is scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: ⚾️ Immaculate Grid 356 9/9: Rarity: 10 IMMACULATE! 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 Play at: https://immaculategrid.com @immaculategrid x @baseball_ref I did: Bill Freehan, Mickey Cochrane, Ivan Rodriguez George Kell, Miguel Cabrera, Aurelio Rodriguez Curtis Granderson, Ty Cobb, Roger Cedeno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, bobrob2004 said: I did: Bill Freehan, Mickey Cochrane, Ivan Rodriguez George Kell, Miguel Cabrera, Aurelio Rodriguez Curtis Granderson, Ty Cobb, Roger Cedeno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 15 hours ago, chasfh said: I don't see how it would have been up to Fay Vincent to have any discretion about Pete Rose's punishment, since Rule 21(d) is crystal clear about all of it. I’m just going by what he wrote in his book. He strongly implied that Dykstra and Zimmer were in similar circumstances baseball has put itself in a position not unlike having a bunch of sober alcoholics working in a strip club and just hoping for the best that everybody will be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 The real question in all this, of course, is not only what did Ohtani know and when did he know it—which is the angle the press is pursuing, but rather what did Ohtani do during all this. We do know the law was broken when the money was wired to an illegal bookmaking operation. How could the interpreter be so confident telling the Ohtani-wired-the-money-to-help-me story if it were so patently untrue? Does it seem likely that the interpreter had access to all of the money in Ohtani’s accounts and could tap into it for millions any time he wanted? Does it seem likely that the guy could wire the money, half a million dollars on nine separate occasions, all through 2023 without either Ohtani, his agent, or any of his other business people noticing? Does it seem likely that a bookie running an illegal operation would extend a $4.5 million line of credit to a guy making $85,000 a year? Does it seem likely that MLB would not pursue an investigation into one of its players being so close to an illegal gambling incident? Why hasn’t MLB called a press conference if it were known without a doubt that Ohtani was not guilty of anything that happened so far? And wouldn’t they have done so right out of the chute? So many questions … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) So... were the Tigers being cheap being out on Ohtani, or did the stuff with Ippei (sp?) come up in their background? I think back to Dickerson's Bauer bashing and it being evident he had some non-public information in the holster. Also, about Ohtani's extreme privacy. It reminds me of Tiger Woods back in the day. Edited March 24 by Edman85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 15 minutes ago, Edman85 said: So... were the Tigers being cheap being out on Ohtani, or did the stuff with Ippei (sp?) come up in their background? I would be shocked, shocked I tell you, if the Tigers ever had the least bit of interest in Ohtani. And I’m good with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I think their interest in Ohtani did not extend beyond brief daydreaming about him in our lineup and rotation. There was not any chance he was coming to Detroit, so I doubt we even made an overture in his direction. We had other, plausible things to concentrate on this winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Our friend ERod will start the season on the IL with no estimated return time frame. So glad he is not in Motown this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, chasfh said: There was not any chance he was coming to Detroit, so I doubt we even made an overture in his direction. agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, chasfh said: I think their interest in Ohtani did not extend beyond brief daydreaming about him in our lineup and rotation. There was not any chance he was coming to Detroit, so I doubt we even made an overture in his direction. We had other, plausible things to concentrate on this winter. They should have offered him MotorCityCasino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Did he know that we have 3 casinos within walking distance of Comerica Park? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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