MIguy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Elon should really consider a name change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 That Florida punt returner has shorts on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 I'm pretty sure Nebraska built their stadium on an Indian burial ground or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Stanford, Cal, and SMU to the ACC. Is it going to be awkward when the non football sports eventually realign into basically what the former conference alignments were? Or, even better, when the FOX Collegiate Football League and the ESPN Student Athlete Football Association break their respective memberships into geographical divisions which resemble the former conferences? Can’t wait for Allstate Championship Saturday presented by Budweiser. The AT&T Rose Bowl Presented by Elon Musk for the Doritos FOX Title and the Nokia Sugar Bowl for the ESPN Championship Belt Sponsored by Fan Duel which will be broadcast via Peacock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motor City Sonics Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 7 hours ago, MIguy said: I'm pretty sure Nebraska built their stadium on an Indian burial ground or something. at least they can draw for Women's Vollyeball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 3 hours ago, casimir said: Stanford, Cal, and SMU to the ACC. Is it going to be awkward when the non football sports eventually realign into basically what the former conference alignments were? Or, even better, when the FOX Collegiate Football League and the ESPN Student Athlete Football Association break their respective memberships into geographical divisions which resemble the former conferences? Can’t wait for Allstate Championship Saturday presented by Budweiser. The AT&T Rose Bowl Presented by Elon Musk for the Doritos FOX Title and the Nokia Sugar Bowl for the ESPN Championship Belt Sponsored by Fan Duel which will be broadcast via Peacock. I feel so bad for Oregon State and Washington State, both are good universities with respectable football programs and everyone is treating them like they're toxic. I'd like to see the B1G take them so we can have two 10 team divisions. Would also make the name "Big 10" actually relevant again if you named the divisions Big 10 east and Big 10 west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 hours ago, MIguy said: I feel so bad for Oregon State and Washington State, both are good universities with respectable football programs and everyone is treating them like they're toxic. I'd like to see the B1G take them so we can have two 10 team divisions. Would also make the name "Big 10" actually relevant again if you named the divisions Big 10 east and Big 10 west. why would the big ten split money with two schools that bring nothing to the table? come on. washington and oregon were a stretch. the other two are useless and would only suck money from the remaining schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, buddha said: why would the big ten split money with two schools that bring nothing to the table? come on. washington and oregon were a stretch. the other two are useless and would only suck money from the remaining schools. it make perfect sense, it makes no sense. NCAA football is an irrationality as a sports 'league' exactly because there is so little cooperative relationship between teams/conferences that still play against one another. Even baseball is evolving toward more revenue shared across the league. If NCAA football were a freestanding institution, half the teams would have folded because they make no money. But bad college football teams are like zombies, they can't die because schools like EMU will divert general revenues to them to keep them alive through periods when they have no business being alive. And of course if the weak teams actually would/could die, the rest of them would have developed some kind of reasonable overall shared revenue system a long time ago once the good teams saw they were going to loose too many of the teams they want to play. But teams don't die, the have's just get havier and the have not's remain marginal and you have 3-4 games each season they demand full price tickets for that are little more than glorified scrimmages for the power 5 teams that play in them. You'd be hard pressed to dream up such a warped overall organization if you tried. Edited September 2, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: it make perfect sense, it makes no sense. NCAA football is an irrationality as a sports 'league' exactly because there is so little cooperative relationship between teams/conferences that still play against one another. Even baseball is evolving toward more revenue shared across the league. If NCAA football were a freestanding institution, half the teams would have folded because they make no money. But bad college football teams are like zombies, they can't die because schools like EMU will divert general revenues to them to keep them alive through periods when they have no business being alive. And of course if the weak teams actually would/could die, the rest of them would have developed some kind of reasonable overall shared revenue system a long time ago once the good teams saw they were going to loose too many of the teams they want to play. But teams don't die, the have's just get havier and the have not's remain marginal and you have 3-4 games each season they demand full price tickets for that are little more than glorified scrimmages for the power 5 teams that play in them. You'd be hard pressed to dream up such a warped overall organization if you tried. it makes zero sense for wsu and osu to come to the big ten and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, buddha said: it makes zero sense for wsu and osu to come to the big ten and you know it. right - but that is what is so dumb - it *should* not make sense for it make sense for UCLA to be in the B10 but not a Cal. Imagine you were starting major league baseball from scratch and you decided Pittsburg and Cincy and Det didn't have the revenue to play in the sandbox that NYC and LA did, but you were going to play a chunk of your games against games against those teams anyway even though they had to cobble together some secondary level league for themselves. It's totally goofball where NCAA sports are today. The second sister teams cooperate in their own debasement as they are bought off by accepting paydays for games against teams they have no business playing and who have no business playing them, and are not any kind of serious athletic competitions at all. Where else in the world do you have sports with paid patsies padding your schedule? It's watching the Globetrotters and the Senators but without Meadowlark Lemon. Pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, buddha said: why would the big ten split money with two schools that bring nothing to the table? come on. washington and oregon were a stretch. the other two are useless and would only suck money from the remaining schools. You think Rutgers, Maryland, and a few others are making money for the TV contracts? Not a chance. Washington State and Oregon State would certainly bring in more than some of the leeches already in the conference. As for claiming Washington and Oregon were a stretch, that's just silly, especially in the case of Oregon. Edited September 2, 2023 by MIguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, MIguy said: You think Rutgers, Maryland, and a few others are making money for the TV contracts? Not a chance. Washington State and Oregon State would certainly bring in more than some of the leeches already in the conference. As for claiming Washington and Oregon were a stretch, that's just silly, especially in the case of Oregon. rutgers and maryland were brought in on the theory that they would put the big ten network on basic cable platforms in new york city (rutgers) and washington dc (maryland). oregon state and washington state bring no such tv markets. the big ten has an 8 billion contract. each school gets X amount of dollars out of that contract. bringing in wsu and osu makes two more schools that get a share of that $8 billion without adding any money to it. therefore, each big ten school currently in the conference gets less money because part of their share would go to osu and wsu. see how that works? cal and stanford were similar. they bring nothing to the big ten now athletically (and unlike wsu and osu, they would bring academic cache). the fact that rutgers and maryland allegedly brought tv markets to the conference in the days before streaming doesnt give a rationale to bring in more schools now. usc and ucla bring the second largest tv market in the country and huge (in usc's case) fanbases. washington gives you seattle. oregon gives you nike money. the tv networks were willing to give the big ten a LOT more money to get usc and some more money for washington/oregon. but they would not give them any more money for wsu/osu. wsu and osu brings you nothing. they are a negative in every way: monetarily, academically, and athletically. anyone thinking they should come to the big ten doesnt understand how modern sports works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Yeah, adding Rutgers is really working out well. https://theathletic.com/4748780/2023/08/07/big-ten-realignment-rutgers/?source=user_shared_article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 hours ago, MIguy said: Yeah, adding Rutgers is really working out well. https://theathletic.com/4748780/2023/08/07/big-ten-realignment-rutgers/?source=user_shared_article nobody is saying adding rutgers "is turning out well," were just telling you the reason they were added. im not sure why you think rutgers is a bad addition (which it is) yet you want to double down on that and add washington state and oregon state. lol. come on man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 10 hours ago, buddha said: it makes zero sense for wsu and osu to come to the big ten and you know it. None of this makes sense and we all know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, MIguy said: I feel so bad for Oregon State and Washington State, both are good universities with respectable football programs and everyone is treating them like they're toxic. I'd like to see the B1G take them so we can have two 10 team divisions. Would also make the name "Big 10" actually relevant again if you named the divisions Big 10 east and Big 10 west. I wouldn't add them. And who knows, "Big 10" just might be a past tense term in college football in a few seasons. Edited September 2, 2023 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) well, the one thing that is certain, is that the NIL system is unworkable. The overall value of NCAA players is not in their NIL, it in their performance on the field, so paying them for NIL sets up the weird situation where the money the players are expecting has to come from sources that don't receive any part of the primary income they generate. That simply can't last. No number of big donors are going to keep paying College players out of the goodness of their hearts for very long. It's been a novelty for them so far but in general, donors want legacies - things where their name stays alive after they are gone. Paying a JJ McCarthy's salary for a year is ephemeral, the appeal of that won't last very long. These guys don't even like paying salaries to the people in the businesses they own! Edited September 2, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: I wouldn't add them. And who knows, "Big 10" just might be a past tense term in college football in a few seasons. Yup. I agree that this big round of consolidation being followed by re-divisioning within whatever super conferences emerge is the likely scenario. And the wild card is still Congress if the public ever elects a less fractious version that would take up an issue like college sports. Not likely while they are still all at each other's throats every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Not gonna lie. I hope TCU beats Colorado by about 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 It has been hilarious how Fox has been hyping up Colorado when TCU is favored by 21 points and will probably win by more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 7 hours ago, casimir said: None of this makes sense and we all know it. adding usc, ucla, and washington make sense. $$$$$. oregon? a bit of a stretch but they bring nike money with them. we just need to face reality that this is becoming minor league professional football. remember when tampa bay was in the nfc central? the cowboys in the nfc east? eventually its going to be two giant conferences like the nfc and afc. get on board while you can. and if youre indiana or northwestern or purdue, well....hang on to your butts and be very nice to michigan and ohio state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 hours ago, MIguy said: It has been hilarious how Fox has been hyping up Colorado when TCU is favored by 21 points and will probably win by more. Oooooops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Deleterious said: Not gonna lie. I hope TCU beats Colorado by about 50. get ready for the deion hype train to keep right on moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, buddha said: adding usc, ucla, and washington make sense. $$$$$. oregon? a bit of a stretch but they bring nike money with them. we just need to face reality that this is becoming minor league professional football. remember when tampa bay was in the nfc central? the cowboys in the nfc east? eventually its going to be two giant conferences like the nfc and afc. get on board while you can. and if youre indiana or northwestern or purdue, well....hang on to your butts and be very nice to michigan and ohio state. Yeah, I remember the Falcons and Saints in the NFC West and the Reds and the Braves in the NL West. I remember wondering about that in a social studies class in grade school one day. Football can get away with it, that’s fine. All of the other sports with the more travel involved, it doesn’t make sense. But, hey, whatever, I’ll still watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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