RatkoVarda Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Cyber Ninjas conned the rubes, cashed out the millions in donations, stashed it in the Caribbean, nothing is left but the shell. Really, just a perfect con. AZ Republic newspaper asked for $1K sanctions a day for not turning over docs; judge said no, make it $50K a day, starting tomorrow. Ninja attorney wants out as he has not been paid, judge said nope. Board of Election released 90 page doc showing these idiots did not know their ass from their elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Griftin’ Ole Party 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 That is hysterically funny! In their zeal to support a con man, the AZ Republicans hired some con men, whose "forensic audit" turned up nothing. They took the money, and now they've disappeared. Priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 lol @ thinking there is honor amongst thieves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 "You reap what you sow..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Let's codify it nationally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Let's codify it nationally Yes! Fully support this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 There is going to be more fall from the rigged election folly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, CMRivdogs said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/7/2022 at 2:31 PM, CMRivdogs said: Let's codify it nationally you'll have first amendment issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, buddha said: you'll have first amendment issues. why would there be 1st amendment issues associated with requiring truth in official government speech? How would it be different from sanctioning outright lying by court officials - which is punishable in the judicial branch. Edited January 25, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: why would there be 1st amendment issues associated with requiring truth in official government speech? How would it be different from sanctioning outright lying by court officials - which is certainly punishable in the judicial branch. the government is punishing people for speech. you'll be fine when they arrest stacey abrams for her comments on the georgia election? let's not pass laws to placate twitter, lets consider the wider implications of what enforcement of that law will look like when the people in power are not your friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 it's as bad an unneccessary as that florida law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/7/2022 at 3:31 PM, CMRivdogs said: Let's codify it nationally All of us would benefit more if it was illegal to lie before the election and during the campaign. We already have a sitting POTUS claiming the next election will be illegitimate. Then there were people like Hillary, Stacy Abrams and Trump claim their election were illegitimate. Its not just one side of the aisle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, buddha said: the government is punishing people for speech. you'll be fine when they arrest stacey abrams for her comments on the georgia election? let's not pass laws to placate twitter, lets consider the wider implications of what enforcement of that law will look like when the people in power are not your friends. that would be the key though wouldn't it?- it would seem to me you can require 'official' speech that comes out of someone's magisterial function to meet a standard of truth. Sure private time twitter would have to be something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: that would be the key though wouldn't it?- it would seem to me you can require 'official' speech that comes out of someone's magisterial function to meet a standard of truth. Sure private time twitter would have to be something else. the law attempts to ban speech by candidates for public office, not just public officials. that's a first amendment violation. moreover, what is a "lie" about election results? did hillary clinton lie when she questioned the legitimacy of trump's victory? did stacey abrams lie when she said kemp's win was not legitimate? i am not making an equivalence between what trump did and what hillary and abrams did. but when you pass a vague law like that, you open up the possibility of one party using it against its political enemies. i think its unnecessary and could be extremely damaging. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, buddha said: the law attempts to ban speech by candidates for public office, not just public officials. that's a first amendment violation. moreover, what is a "lie" about election results? did hillary clinton lie when she questioned the legitimacy of trump's victory? did stacey abrams lie when she said kemp's win was not legitimate? i am not making an equivalence between what trump did and what hillary and abrams did. but when you pass a vague law like that, you open up the possibility of one party using it against its political enemies. i think its unnecessary and could be extremely damaging. fair enough - I really wasn't thinking about this law in particular as much as the concept of sanctioning an elected official who is dishonest in an official administrative (as opposed to political) capacity. The question of what to do about candidates - or for that matter elected political leaders that lie is a another question. It's basically something that the society has completely let get away from itself. Back in the day, there was a kind of standard about bald faced lying in office. You certainly could always get away with a ton of shading of reality, but there was still a level of of denial of reality that held. It was still strong enough 50 yrs ago that Nixon was forced from office over it, but for me there was a real turning point with Clinton. Regardless of whether it was a question that never should have been asked or the topic was irrelevant to his official duties, allowing him to remain in office after having lied under oath was simply a terrible civic precedent to set and IMO has made any kind of political truth telling standard impossible ever since. The irony is that he could have admitted everything and still would have left office with high approval ratings and Al Gore as President. In my book he turned out to be a great fool in the end. And I think our politics has paid a price ever since. I wish I knew how to put that toothpaste back in the tube. Edited January 25, 2022 by gehringer_2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: fair enough - I really wasn't thinking about this law in particular as much as the concept of sanctioning an elected official who is dishonest in an official administrative (as opposed to political) capacity. The question of what to do about candidates - or for that matter elected political leaders that lie is a another question. It's basically something that the society has completely let get away from itself. Back in the day, there was a kind of standard about bald faced lying in office. You certainly could always get away with a ton of shading of reality, but there was still a level of of denial of reality that held. It was still strong enough 50 yrs ago that Nixon was forced from office over it, but for me there was a real turning point with Clinton. Regardless of whether it was a question that never should have been asked or the topic was irrelevant to his official duties, allowing him to remain in office after having lied under oath was simply a terrible civic precedent to set and IMO has made any kind of political truth telling standard impossible ever since. The irony is that he could have admitted everything and still would have left office with high approval ratings and Al Gore as President. In my book he turned out to be a great fool in the end. And I think our politics has paid a price ever since. I wish I knew how to put that toothpaste back in the tube. clinton was too smart for his own good. nixon was too insecure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 That dagnab voting machine looked at me the wrong way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Straight up Fascism. There is no longer a Republican Party. I've stated this before. They are now the Fascist Republicans of America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Straight up Fascism. There is no longer a Republican Party. I've stated this before. They are now the Fascist Republicans of America. Fun fact: when Italy became a German puppet state during the last couple years of WWI, the country was renamed The Italian Social Republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Rules for thee, not for me... Texas edition Edited February 2, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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