Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tiger337]

19 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

When Trump decided to move the USFL to the fall and go up against the NFL, they had to fold operations. He put the fledging league out of business. Everything Trump touches, dies. Trump vodka, steaks, casinos, college and many other ventures. Anyway, the USFL sued the NFL and won. Their award? 3 dollars. The USFL was finished, thanks to Trump. Feel sorry for the other owners? No, lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Yes, that is my first memory of Trump destroying something.  I liked the USFL and was not happy that he destroyed it.  

[guy incognito]

56 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I blame the American educational system, or lack thereof.

Conservatives have spent half a century working to neutralize the threat of an educated proletariat, and have frankly succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

https://theintercept.com/2022/08/25/student-loans-debt-reagan/

 

[CMRivdogs]

20 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Guessing this is going to cement all of your thoughts that I'm a right wing racist, but....

I just read up on some of the symbolism of the Bad Bunny show and it seems cool.  But, I don't get it.  The music wasn't horrible, nor was the show, but all my liberal friends/family spent all night on facebook saying how amazing it was.  Rolling Stone already came out and send it was the 2nd best ever, just behind Prince.   Seriously?

I'm not going to pretend that I wouldn't have wanted a singer I could understand out there, but I took my daughter to see The Stray Kids last year and understood none of the lyrics yet absolutely loved the show.   I watched the TPUSA show last night.  Kid Rock may be all the things you folks say, but I still like most of his music.  It was alright.  Modern country isn't my thing and most of the show were country acts.  On Bawitdaba there was a backing track that was out of sync which was funny. 

So in short, was it just the fact that it was political that made everyone love it or am I missing something with the music?

Also to note, the best halftime show this year was Jack White / Eminem.  You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

My taste in music leans closer to Brandi Carlisle and classic rock as well as Americana music. I will say up front I've never been a Kid Rock fan, or heavy metal, the closest was probably fascination with The Steve Miller Band. I'm an old fart.

That said I found the music and production from last night's Half Time Show to be a very joyous celebration. The production aspect was excellent, even more so after reading Wired's report about how the managed to get everything he wanted accomplished in the time restrictions and the confines of the NFL guidelines because the field had real grass.

I don't care if I couldn't understand the lyrics. To those who complain go to the opera sometime, try an evening at your symphony or a community band. You just might learn something by expanding your horizons.

Edit, link to Wired piece

https://www.wired.com/video/watch/untold-story-bad-bunny-historic-super-bowl-halftime-show

 

Edited 16 hours ago by CMRivdogs

[Motown Bombers]

I never even heard of Bad Bunny until recently. I didn’t watch the Super Bowl because I have no interest in the teams. I watched Schitt’s Creek instead. 

[ewsieg]

The production was great and it had to take up more of the field than any other halftime show I've ever seen.  Granted a lot of it were just sugar cane plants, but still, impressive on that front.  

Speaking of Brandi Carlisle, she was, per usual, fantastic. 

Ultimately it probably got exponentially more eyes on the Superbowl in Latin/South America then they could have gotten with a rock/country/hip hop act and i'm sure the NFL is loving that.  Just seems like people loved or hated it based on political leanings.  Maybe I'm wrong, but if it was that good, I feel like it would have transcended that.

[CMRivdogs]

4 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

The production was great and it had to take up more of the field than any other halftime show I've ever seen.  Granted a lot of it were just sugar cane plants, but still, impressive on that front.  

Speaking of Brandi Carlisle, she was, per usual, fantastic. 

Ultimately it probably got exponentially more eyes on the Superbowl in Latin/South America then they could have gotten with a rock/country/hip hop act and i'm sure the NFL is loving that.  Just seems like people loved or hated it based on political leanings.  Maybe I'm wrong, but if it was that good, I feel like it would have transcended that.

I think you are correct about political leanings. BTW, the "plants" were real people..

[Tigerbomb13]

6 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

The production was great and it had to take up more of the field than any other halftime show I've ever seen.  Granted a lot of it were just sugar cane plants, but still, impressive on that front.  

Speaking of Brandi Carlisle, she was, per usual, fantastic. 

Ultimately it probably got exponentially more eyes on the Superbowl in Latin/South America then they could have gotten with a rock/country/hip hop act and i'm sure the NFL is loving that.  Just seems like people loved or hated it based on political leanings.  Maybe I'm wrong, but if it was that good, I feel like it would have transcended that.

It could have been the greatest thing ever done and MAGA would have hated it. Admitting you are wrong is admitting weakness to them. 

[Tigerbomb13]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

I think you are correct about political leanings. BTW, the "plants" were real people..

They were! I saw the sugarcane moving just before the performance and I was expecting them to dance. It makes sense on how quickly they set that up and tore it down. 

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

They were! I saw the sugarcane moving just before the performance and I was expecting them to dance. It makes sense on how quickly they set that up and tore it down. 

It was also a logistics solution. The most expediant  way to move that many "plants" given time and cart restrictions, 

[CMRivdogs]

The Regime has cut over $890 million from programs to help English learners develop English proficiency then complains about non english speaking programs. About 15% of residents speak Spanish at home according to recent census figures.

As I told one guy on FB last night, maybe when Europeans invaded the country back about 1619 they should have learned the NATIVE languages

European Privilege sucks 

[CMRivdogs]

Just sayin...

 

[Sports_Freak]

The least racist? The biggest liar?

 

[slothfacekilla]

Does anyone know if Kid Rock played his song about being a pedophile?  I assumed it would have been the closer with who the audience was.

[Tiger337]

I watched parts of the game only because everybody I know has been and will be talking about it.  I don't do commercials or half-time shows, so it was on mute half the time.  The superbowl is one of biggest scams we have with advertisetrs all over the country convincing us that the superbowl commercials are a must see event.  

[LaceyLou]

It made for good background noise. It's probably best I'm not back at work until Tuesday since I'm kind of glad the Seahawks won. 

The game itself was far from the best one I've ever seen. 

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

My taste in music leans closer to Brandi Carlisle and classic rock as well as Americana music. I will say up front I've never been a Kid Rock fan, or heavy metal, the closest was probably fascination with The Steve Miller Band. I'm an old fart.

That said I found the music and production from last night's Half Time Show to be a very joyous celebration. The production aspect was excellent, even more so after reading Wired's report about how the managed to get everything he wanted accomplished in the time restrictions and the confines of the NFL guidelines because the field had real grass.

I don't care if I couldn't understand the lyrics. To those who complain go to the opera sometime, try an evening at your symphony or a community band. You just might learn something by expanding your horizons.

Edit, link to Wired piece

https://www.wired.com/video/watch/untold-story-bad-bunny-historic-super-bowl-halftime-show

 

Similarly, my taste in music is closer to the Gipsy Kings than Bad Bunny. 

I enjoyed the show-especially since Ricky Martin has always been a guilty pleasure of mine (along with Lobo and similar 70s artists). I thought it was well done.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Guessing this is going to cement all of your thoughts that I'm a right wing racist, but....

I just read up on some of the symbolism of the Bad Bunny show and it seems cool.  But, I don't get it.  The music wasn't horrible, nor was the show, but all my liberal friends/family spent all night on facebook saying how amazing it was.  Rolling Stone already came out and send it was the 2nd best ever, just behind Prince.   Seriously?

I'm not going to pretend that I wouldn't have wanted a singer I could understand out there, but I took my daughter to see The Stray Kids last year and understood none of the lyrics yet absolutely loved the show.   I watched the TPUSA show last night too.  Kid Rock may be all the things you folks say, but I still like most of his music.  It was alright.  Modern country isn't my thing and most of the show were country acts.  On Bawitdaba there was a backing track that was out of sync which was funny. 

So in short, was it just the fact that it was political that made everyone love it or am I missing something with the music?

Also to note, the best halftime show this year was Jack White / Eminem.  You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

one problem for older people is that we keep expecting 'music'. There is a lot of audio art out there these days and that is what is dominating the entertainment market, but to take up the old man yelling at cloud mantle, it's not music by any conventional definition. To say that is not to say what is being presented isn't or can't be entertaining but it won't be if you can't get past the expectation that it will be music, because it isn't. It's something else - it's fundamentally a different set of aural forms with totally different skill sets needed to create them. It borrows rhythm and voice from music, but the rhythm is not in service of theme and the voices does not sing (mostly) and on that basis the industry continues to tell us it's music and market it through music distribution channels because that what  already exists for distribution of recorded sound - (and some artists do cross over/blend the genera)

If you drop the expectation and take it on it's own terms for what it is rather than your expectation of a 'musical' show, you won't be bothered that there is no legacy to western Canon (e,g. Bach) which did remain solidly there even in the adjacently previous genres of Jazz and Rock and Roll.

Edited 15 hours ago by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

I'm not sure if I made the comment here or someplace else. But i would  love to see a good old fashion marching band halftime show. Some of the performances I've seen on YouTube and other places show some amazing works and innovative styles.

 

[oblong]

15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

one problem for older people is that we keep expecting 'music'. There is a lot of audio art out there these days and that is what is dominating the entertainment market, but to take up the old man yelling at cloud mantle, it's not music by any conventional definition. To say that is not to say what is being presented isn't or can't be entertaining but it won't be if you can't get past the expectation that it will be music, because it isn't. It's something else - it's fundamentally a different set of aural forms with totally different skill sets needed to create them. It borrows rhythm and voice from music, but the rhythm is not in service of theme and the voices does not sing (mostly) and on that basis the industry continues to tell us it's music and market it through music distribution channels because that what  already exists for distribution of recorded sound - (and some artists do cross over/blend the genera)

If you drop the expectation and take it on it's own terms for what it is rather than your expectation of a 'musical' show, you won't be bothered that there is no legacy to western Canon (e,g. Bach) which did remain solidly there even in the adjacently previous genres of Jazz and Rock and Roll.

I was going to say something similar.  We have to admit and come to terms that we are not the demographic for this.  I'm fine with that.  I'm pop cultural illiterate.  My wife isn't.  When she heard he was doing the show she didn't know who he was.  Then we remembered he was on the Pedro Pascal episode of SNL and in that very funny sketch he did.  

And this came up 6 years ago when JLo was the entertainment.  She lip synched.  Who cares?  Who gets to decide the rules and when did we agree to that?  A live musical act in a setting like a super bowl stadium takes hours to properly sound out.  Sound checks before concerts are not just going through the motions.  Geddy Lee in his book gave tremendous credit to KISS when they opened for them for giving them adequate time to do sound checks.  He said most bands treat the openers like crap and that's why their performance suffers.  I verified that with a friend in music production and he said absolutely it matters.  As a musician you have to know how what you are playing will sound like.  

As a 53 year old white man I accept that going forward the musical acts for the super bowl will not be my thing.  I'm ok with that.  This program has to have someone out there that a lot of people know.  It's not about "who is good" because that's not an objective criteria.

[Tigerbomb13]

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

one problem for older people is that we keep expecting 'music'. There is a lot of audio art out there these days and that is what is dominating the entertainment market, but to take up the old man yelling at cloud mantle, it's not music by any conventional definition. To say that is not to say what is being presented isn't or can't be entertaining but it won't be if you can't get past the expectation that it will be music, because it isn't. It's something else - it's fundamentally a different set of aural forms with totally different skill sets needed to create them. It borrows rhythm and voice from music, but the rhythm is not in service of theme and the voices does not sing (mostly) and on that basis the industry continues to tell us it's music and market it through music distribution channels because that what  already exists for distribution of recorded sound - (and some artists do cross over/blend the genera)

If you drop the expectation and take it on it's own terms for what it is rather than your expectation of a 'musical' show, you won't be bothered that there is no legacy to western Canon (e,g. Bach) which did remain solidly there even in the adjacently previous genres of Jazz and Rock and Roll.

If this is your way of telling us what Bad Bunny did last night is not music, then I truly don't know how to respond to that other than to say that could not be more wrong. Please tell me I am misunderstanding what you’re trying to say. 

Edited 12 hours ago by chasfh

[pfife]

I wasnt the target demo for the halftime show which is fine to me.   The political symbolism was awesome. Production was awesome.   

 

The prince halftime show is the greatest rock performance ive ever seen from anyone.

[guy incognito]

Forget it, Jake, it’s MAGAtown.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[MichiganCardinal]

On 2/8/2026 at 12:25 PM, Motown Bombers said:

The problem is, this is going to take generations. It's not going to all get undone in one term. People will have to vote for Democrats for the rest of their lives. It won't happen. They'll find some like age or a conflict half way around the world that doesn't involve US troops, to either not vote or vote for Republicans. Republicans literally held the Supreme Court hostage for nine months and that wasn't enough to vote for Clinton and now we want to add more when eventually Republicans will pick those justices too?

It cuts both ways though. The Dems (or rather, all voters with sanity) need to unite, yes. But Rs still need to figure out a path without DJT. Is that Vance? Don Jr.? Rubio? It's not as if the GOP is innately well run right now so as to anoint a successor. DJT will throw any successor under the bus in a heartbeat if he dares question a move he's made (or video he's posted) in the last 12 years. Trump doesn't actually care what becomes of the country when he's dead and gone, he just cares about his "legacy" (which is why we see his name getting thrown on **** indiscriminately).

So in 2028 (or even in the primaries if they dare to have genuine open primaries), Vance (or the GOP field) will have to pretend like DJT is beyond reproach (lest DJT cut them off at the knees with his base), while not being the actual cult leader who has defied all historical odds to become the rapist/racist/pedophile in chief.

And if it doesn't work, and Newsome/AOC/Shapiro/Beshear wins in 2028, all bets will be off in the GOP. It will be chaos as they try to fracture into either (a) trying to replicate Trump with a Dr. Oz / Vince McMahon / Trump Jr. figure, or (b) making a half-hearted return to conservatism with a Rubio / DeSantis figure.

That all said, the path forward isn't crystal clear for the GOP either. Of course, they do have going for them that their party has managed to unite behind a person as horrific as Trump. While everyone on the sane side gets their knickers in a knot over Clinton/Biden/Harris not being their perfect candidate.