Trumps Presidency 2025

[chasfh]

10 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Maybe something good will come out of this Trump horror story and the world will finally understand how terrible narcissists are.

The world already understands. The difficult part has been getting Americans to understand. 

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

They've committed a civil offense, one that subjects them to arrest and detainment.  

Shouldn't the person who hired them also get arrested?  That person seems more at fault to me.  

Also, Trump is claiming that they are only going after violent criminals which according the ablove statistics is blatantly false.  

[GalagaGuy]

17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Shouldn't the person who hired them also get arrested?  That person seems more at fault to me.  

Also, Trump is claiming that they are only going after violent criminals which according the ablove statistics is blatantly false.  

Absolutely the employers should be arrested and charged.  

[romad1]

30 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

They've committed a civil offense, one that subjects them to arrest and detainment.  

I can think of a few crimes that were made to go away by MAGA judge Aileen Canon. 

[GalagaGuy]

11 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I can think of a few crimes that were made to go away by MAGA judge Aileen Canon. 

Canon is a hack, but what does that have to do with people being in the country illegally? 

[GalagaGuy]

Speaking of deportations, Agent Orange is openly trying to create more problems.  

 

[IdahoBert]

[LaceyLou]

7 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

Canon is a hack, but what does that have to do with people being in the country illegally? 

They're human beings, and still entitled to due process-mostly here to work, and make a better life. Some of them were 2-3 when they were brought here and don't even remember the countries of their birth. 

I work with a lot of people from Central America and they are good, hardworking people. I don't know under what circumstances they first came here (they're citizens now) and I don't care.

[romad1]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

They're human beings, and still entitled to due process-mostly here to work, and make a better life. Some of them were 2-3 when they were brought here and don't even remember the countries of their birth. 

I work with a lot of people from Central America and they are good, hardworking people. I don't know under what circumstances they first came here (they're citizens now) and I don't care.

The story of insisting on by-the-numbers law enforcement for everyone but POTUS is the point of pointing out Aileen Canon and the other courts letting Trump off of treasonous activities. 

[mtutiger]

11 hours ago, Kacie said:

The act never changes, no matter what the horror.  He's simply dead inside.

The rallies on Saturday gave at least a tiny glimmer of hope.  Shocked that there were 5 separate rallies within like 30 minutes of where I live, very solid red areas.  The energy and enthusiasm were encouraging and amazingly high numbers of people.  Attended my first Pride as well a supporter of the community since it was going on just before the rally.  Just a great day all around. 

It's good to be reminded that you aren't alone when you live in a more red area.

[mtutiger]

9 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

Speaking of deportations, Agent Orange is openly trying to create more problems.  

 

At the risk of sounding like I'm downplaying, this reads like a temper-tantrum after the past week which, overall, didn't exactly play out like they would have wanted.

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

At the risk of sounding like I'm downplaying, this reads like a temper-tantrum after the past week which, overall, didn't exactly play out like they would have wanted.

I think temper tantrum is exactly the paradigm for analyzing Trump in general.

Edited 4 hours ago by gehringer_2

[GalagaGuy]

2 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

They're human beings, and still entitled to due process-mostly here to work, and make a better life. Some of them were 2-3 when they were brought here and don't even remember the countries of their birth. 

I work with a lot of people from Central America and they are good, hardworking people. I don't know under what circumstances they first came here (they're citizens now) and I don't care.

Many of the people being arrested have final orders of deportation.  That means they had their day in court and still people on the left freak out when they get taken away.   I don't get it, does the USA not have the right to enforce any immigration laws at all?  

[Tigerbomb13]

Sounds like someone needed a diaper change after his parade disaster. 

[LaceyLou]

11 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Many of the people being arrested have final orders of deportation.  That means they had their day in court and still people on the left freak out when they get taken away.   I don't get it, does the USA not have the right to enforce any immigration laws at all?  

Other administrations managed to do so without using the tactics the current one is using-heck, Obama was nicknamed the Deporter in Chief by immigrant advocates. Why can't this one? Seems to me that cruelty and fear is most, if not all, of the point.

And many of them are being targeted AT the court, when they're going for their hearings. 

 

[GalagaGuy]

9 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Other administrations managed to do so without using the tactics the current one is using-heck, Obama was nicknamed the Deporter in Chief by immigrant advocates. Why can't this one? Seems to me that cruelty and fear is most, if not all, of the point.

And many of them are being targeted AT the court, when they're going for their hearings. 

 

Of course that's the point, they are trying to cause so much fear that people self deport.  How one administration vs the next chooses to enact the laws on the books is, for the most part, up to them. 

As for detaining people at their court hearings, I agree, that's pretty scummy.  My understanding is that they're even instructing federal judges to grant immediate dismissal of cases so they can take the person into custody and remove them from the country.  

[oblong]

Bill Burr opened his podcast on Thursday with a rant that even for him was harsh.  Basically with all the **** going on in the country... why this?  We're going after "little people".  Laborers.  The people who pick our food and build our stuff.  Who are they hurting?  Isn't there other problems that could be addressed?  What happens now when all these people are gone?

Nobody objects to going after criminals.  I don't mean the "they are here illegally so they are by default criminal" people.  Yes the gangsters and rapists, etc.  But the guy who builds fences and puts on roofs and picks cucumbers and paves our roads?  The lady working in a diner for 25 years?  The kid graduating high school?  

It's not about fighting crime it's about being cruel to brown people.

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, oblong said:

Bill Burr opened his podcast on Thursday with a rant that even for him was harsh.  Basically with all the **** going on in the country... why this?  We're going after "little people".  Laborers.  The people who pick our food and build our stuff.  Who are they hurting?  Isn't there other problems that could be addressed?  What happens now when all these people are gone?

All of this to what end? What does any of this do to make people's lives materially better?

It's not even about the bigger macro picture, even on the micro, individualistic level.... what does this do to make your life better?

Burr's absolutely spot on in focusing on this... if we are electing politicians who aren't even going through the pretense of trying to make people's lives better, than what are we doing exactly? Is all this **** just gladiator games?

Edited 3 hours ago by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

We've also made immigration so much tougher. My grandparents immigrated to the US in 1945 and didn't face the obstacles we have now. They checked in at Ellis Island and went on their merry way. 

[RatkoVarda]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

Nobody objects to going after criminals. 

this is all correct, except, the Trump administration does object, as they tore up the Biden policy that ICE should prioritize for removal people who have committed felonies and violent crimes. so instead of making us safer by getting rid of criminals, Trump is getting rid of people who do the jobs no American wants.

good article here by PP, explaining why TEXAS legislature refuses to make employers use the FREE E-Verify system to check the validity of I9 documents. Answer: employers have stopped it cold, as they do not want to lose a quarter of the employees in healthcare aides, construction, roofing, restaurants and agriculture.

NO REPUBLICAN WANTS A FUNCTIONING IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, AND EVERY STORY THAT FAILS TO MENTION THAT LACKS THE NECESSARY CONTEXT.

“If you got serious about applying [E-Verify], you would create even worse problems” with labor shortages, said Bill Hammond, a GOP former state lawmaker who once led the Texas Association of Business. “Do you want to go to a restaurant and use paper plates because no one will wash dishes?”

https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-e-verify-requirements-immigration

[oblong]

Here it is if you want to listen to it.  Leave it to a comedian to summarize so well.  This should be our newscasters.  A Cronkite.  The first 6 minutes or so.   

[CMRivdogs]

If you actually look at the numbers both Obama and Biden deported a larger number of people than the current administration and Trump 1.0. They also went thru proper channels.

The perception with Trump and the current ICE raids are they seem to be picking people up randomly and even with planned raids are shipping people out without such hearings. The administration isn't even attempting to argue that claim. 

Nobody is objecting to convicted criminals being deported, but arresting dissident foreign students and the perception of kidnapping suspected "criminals" without proper paperwork and trials seems to be the issue here.

As usual every Trump does is half assed. 

[smr-nj]

42 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

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My understanding is that they're even instructing federal judges to grant immediate dismissal of cases so they can take the person into custody and remove them from the country.  

The amount of WRONG-doing in this sentence is stunning.

Where does the executive branch of the government get off thinking that THEY can INSTRUCT any person in the judiciary to do their bidding?

Separation of powers is the absolute construct for a reason.

[gehringer_2]

50 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

this is all correct, except, the Trump administration does object, as they tore up the Biden policy that ICE should prioritize for removal people who have committed felonies and violent crimes. so instead of making us safer by getting rid of criminals, Trump is getting rid of people who do the jobs no American wants.

good article here by PP, explaining why TEXAS legislature refuses to make employers use the FREE E-Verify system to check the validity of I9 documents. Answer: employers have stopped it cold, as they do not want to lose a quarter of the employees in healthcare aides, construction, roofing, restaurants and agriculture.

NO REPUBLICAN WANTS A FUNCTIONING IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, AND EVERY STORY THAT FAILS TO MENTION THAT LACKS THE NECESSARY CONTEXT.

“If you got serious about applying [E-Verify], you would create even worse problems” with labor shortages, said Bill Hammond, a GOP former state lawmaker who once led the Texas Association of Business. “Do you want to go to a restaurant and use paper plates because no one will wash dishes?”

https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-e-verify-requirements-immigration

QFT.

The situation in American immigration has been created by American Business interests, just as the dissension over immigration in Germany was created by business interests there. We could have an orderly immigration and naturalization system but for the greed of American Business that doesn't want to pay the wages that people with rights would command. This truth cannot be shouted enough times from enough rooftops. It is, was, and continues to be a foundational lie of GOP politics.

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Tigermojo]

It's about creating a theat (illegal immigrants) to hide the real threat (oligarchy).