2025 MLB Thread

[Tenacious D]

Dodgers defeat the Jays again.

[Sports_Freak]

5 minutes ago, RaceDog said:

4 years  and 240 million? Great for baseball they say 😞

What?? $60 million per? Wow, if Skubal has another Cy-like season, his price just went up. Holy cow...

[GalagaGuy]

Absolutely absurd for MLB to go another day without a salary cap.  

[Motor City Sonics]

Blow it up, man.    That upcoming CBA has to change things.  This is ridiculous.    If it means losing a season, then do it.     This is crazy. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Motor City Sonics

[Tigermojo]

There has to be major deferrals. He's a 4 WAR player. 

$30 million deferred but it doesn't say how much per year.

Edited 17 hours ago by Tigermojo

[Tiger337]

55 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Blow it up, man.    That upcoming CBA has to change things.  This is ridiculous.    If it means losing a season, then do it.     This is crazy. 

No way do I want to lose a season.  I am too old for that.  It's going to to be fun meeting the Dodgers in the World Series some year and beating them.  

Edited 16 hours ago by Tiger337

[gehringer_2]

38 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

No way do I want to lose a season.  I am too old for that.  It's going to to be fun meeting the Dodgers in the World Series some year and beating them.  

Once the Dodgers sign Skubal at the end of the season, they'll have more AAV to 3 players:Tucker, Ohtani and Skubal; than the total payroll of maybe 20 teams.

Edited 16 hours ago by gehringer_2

[buddha]

i cant wait until baseball gets a salary cap so we can all try to figure out if the dodgers are over the second apron so they can use their mid level exception or if they have to trade a $6.7 million trade exception to tampa for the rights to a player they will cut in order to create a third exception to retain a 4th players rights. 

salary caps are stupid.  they will remain stupid no matter what team is throwing stupid money after 30+ year old declining corner outfielders.

[casimir]

That's $240M less for the Dodgers to spend o. Skubal.

[4hzglory]

8 hours ago, papalawrence said:

Tucker to get 4/240. He can opt out after years 2 or 3. The Mets supposed offer of 3/150 was "just a bit outside."

Now the say the Mets offered 4/220 with no deferrals, $120 mil pd first 2 years with opt outs after 2 and 3.  

[chasfh]

The players are telling us that at this time, they want money now over years later. No one knows whether they’ll be earning any income next year at all, and beyond that, what anything will look like under the new CBA.

[Motor City Sonics]

Tucker is a really good player, but according to baseball reference...........60 mil a year for this?     It can't continue.  There has to be something in place to stop this - because it's just going to be 2 or 3 teams buying every good player all the time.    Works now for the Dodgers, but not yet for the Mets.     It's just out of hand.   If this guy is 60 million per year, then Skubal is 70 or 75.     It's not just that they will just keep buying players, but it throws the salaries for everyone else into chaos and you'll get bench guys making 25 million a year.      The basis of your business is supposed to be competition, but it doesn't really exist for 3/4 of your teams.   They might be good enough to squeak by in their division or grab a wild card spot, but not much of anything else.      Burn it down. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Motor City Sonics

[Sports_Freak]

My son told me that the Dodgers pay more in a luxury tax than 12 other teams total payroll. True?

[theroundsquare]

MLBTR reports that to be true, with the payroll tax based on 2025 at $169.4M

[Tiger337]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Once the Dodgers sign Skubal at the end of the season, they'll have more AAV to 3 players:Tucker, Ohtani and Skubal; than the total payroll of maybe 20 teams.

I think there are diminishing returns at this point.  

[CMRivdogs]

8 hours ago, buddha said:

i cant wait until baseball gets a salary cap so we can all try to figure out if the dodgers are over the second apron so they can use their mid level exception or if they have to trade a $6.7 million trade exception to tampa for the rights to a player they will cut in order to create a third exception to retain a 4th players rights. 

salary caps are stupid.  they will remain stupid no matter what team is throwing stupid money after 30+ year old declining corner outfielders.

I agree, also any new agreement has to get rid of deferred money. Poor Bobby Bonilla just getting by on his $1 million from the Mets. 

[SoCalTiger]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

I agree, also any new agreement has to get rid of deferred money. Poor Bobby Bonilla just getting by on his $1 million from the Mets. 

And Bonuses.

[tiger2022]

13 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Blow it up, man.    That upcoming CBA has to change things.  This is ridiculous.    If it means losing a season, then do it.     

 

I'd much rather have billionaire owners make and keep all the money than players get any of it.  

If these super rich people don't want to spend, then they don't spend.  You'll give cheap ass owners like Ilitch and excuse to not spend yet again.

[RatkoVarda]

Bichette to Mets 3/126 (42 per)

[NorthWoods]

5 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Tucker is a really good player, but according to baseball reference...........60 mil a year for this?     It can't continue.  There has to be something in place to stop this - because it's just going to be 2 or 3 teams buying every good player all the time.    Works now for the Dodgers, but not yet for the Mets.     It's just out of hand.   If this guy is 60 million per year, then Skubal is 70 or 75.     It's not just that they will just keep buying players, but it throws the salaries for everyone else into chaos and you'll get bench guys making 25 million a year.      The basis of your business is supposed to be competition, but it doesn't really exist for 3/4 of your teams.   They might be good enough to squeak by in their division or grab a wild card spot, but not much of anything else.      Burn it down. 

And if Skubal/Skenes gets to those numbers - $2-3M per start is absurd.

[Tiger337]

Not sure whether I agree or disagree with this, but this post on bluesky is beautiful.  My feeling is I don't care which side wins.  Nothing they do is going to make the game better for the fans anyway.  That sentiment is also covered in Joe's post.    

[gehringer_2]

I have no complaint about how much players make, if what they do generates the income, then they are entitled to it. What I object to is my team not being able to compete on a level playing field. What the argument misses is that more 'socialism' among the owners *is* good for competition. In today's baseball world, whether you believe more competition is good for the fans comes down to whether you live  in a have or a have-not city. 

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[RatkoVarda]

a lot of economically illiterate people think that if the players were not so greedy, tickets and beers would be cheaper

it is odd to see fans clamoring for owners to keep more and more of the revenue

[tiger2022]

3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

a lot of economically illiterate people think that if the players were not so greedy, tickets and beers would be cheaper

it is odd to see fans clamoring for owners to keep more and more of the revenue

It always amazes me that people get angry at the players for asking for part of the billions of dollars that the owners make.