2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[RandyMarsh]

Unlike other sports most notably basketball you don't need stars to win championships in baseball.

Just in the past 15 years you had those aforementioned Giants teams(Posey played like a offensive superstar in 2012 so I won't count that one) along with the Royals, Cardinals and Rangers just to name a few. 

That's about half the championships being won by teams without a true offensive superstar.

Edited May 29 by RandyMarsh

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

But the Tigers are a team and not a mere assemblage of parts

why in the long run, the GM/PBO is the most important guy in the org. Anyone can 'go get a player' but it takes a lot more than that to build a team that wins.

[romad1]

Remember the last time the Tigers and Lions were good at the same time?  Yep, the Great Depression.  Uh oh. 

[IdahoBert]

Don’t get me wrong, teams with stars are cool. I remember the excitement I felt in 2008 when the Tigers added Cabrera and Sheffield (even though Shef was old) and we already had Irod and Magglio and we had JV. And on paper the team was slated to win the World Series and score 1000 runs. But the team fell flat and went 74–88. And certainly not all teams filled with stars run cold.

But I really like the club we have right now. Aside from the fact that its success last year was surprising and dream-like, this first third of the season is proving that it was not a dream. This style of play is a part of the collective muscle memory of the team.

And we have stars, but the supporting cast of characters make surprisingly fertile contributions and that’s exactly where a lot of the fun comes from. 

[romad1]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Remember the last time the Tigers and Lions were good at the same time?  Yep, the Great Depression.  Uh oh. 

You know, back when Smoot Hawley happened. 

[RandyMarsh]

It was only for 1 year but 2011 the Lions and Tigers were both good. I remember when the 5-0 Lions played on Monday Night Football while the Tigers played in the ALCS across the street. 

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

It was only for 1 year but 2011 the Lions and Tigers were both good. I remember when the 5-0 Lions played on Monday Night Football while the Tigers played in the ALCS across the street. 

They both weren't this good.   Playoff round winners in the same season doesn't even exist unless you go back to the time of the hobo and the dustbowl.   Unless I'm mistaken.  The Lions didn't even win a playoff round this year but did in the previous season when they went to the NFC championship round, which was calendar year the same year the Tigers beat the Astros. 

[romad1]

So, expect the dual championships to bring with it mass starvation, depredations and eventually world war. 

[1984Echoes]

52 minutes ago, romad1 said:

So, expect the dual championships to bring with it mass starvation, depredations and eventually world war. 

You've decided to join the ranks of American Crackpot Conspiracy Theorists?

Why?

 

 

 

Edited May 29 by 1984Echoes

[Tenacious D]

Skubal is a star.  More impactful than any pitcher on the ‘84 and ‘06 WS squads.  Greene is borderline—still only 24, so still projectable and could be at least a top 5-10 AL outfielder.  Meadows has the potential—was on that trajectory when he came back from Toledo last season. Created havoc on the base paths, elite defense and 20 HR/60 extra bases upside.

Comparing to the ‘84 squad, here’s my unscientific comparison:

Dingler/Rogers < Parrish

Tork > Evans/Bergman

Torres < Whitaker

Sweeney < Trammell

Baez/McKinstry = Brookens/HoJo

Greene > Herndon

Meadows < Lemon

Carpenter/Vierling = Gibby

Skubal > Morris

Mize > Petry

Flaherty > Wilcox

Olsen > Berenguer

Kahnle = Lopez

Vest < Hernandez

Basically, current rotation better than ‘84 squad, perhaps the pen, too.  Think it’s the opposite for the position players, in general.

[papalawrence]

3 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Skubal is a star.  More impactful than any pitcher on the ‘84 and ‘06 WS squads.  Greene is borderline—still only 24, so still projectable and could be at least a top 5-10 AL outfielder.  Meadows has the potential—was on that trajectory when he came back from Toledo last season. Created havoc on the base paths, elite defense and 20 HR/60 extra bases upside.

Comparing to the ‘84 squad, here’s my unscientific comparison:

Dingler/Rogers < Parrish

Tork > Evans/Bergman

Torres < Whitaker

Sweeney < Trammell

Baez/McKinstry = Brookens/HoJo

Greene > Herndon

Meadows < Lemon

Carpenter/Vierling = Gibby

Skubal > Morris

Mize > Petry

Flaherty > Wilcox

Olsen > Berenguer

Kahnle = Lopez

Vest < Hernandez

Basically, current rotation better than ‘84 squad, perhaps the pen, too.  Think it’s the opposite for the position players, in general.

You left out Rusty Kuntz. He was a difference maker

[Tenacious D]

4 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

You left out Rusty Kuntz. He was a difference maker

And Rooftop Jones.  And Barbaro Garbey.  Great role players.

[romad1]

16 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

You've decided to join the ranks of American Crackpot Conspiracy Theorists?

Why?

 

 

 

It would be a conspiracy if I thought it was caused by them winning.   Its mere silliness when i point out the correlation.  Which is at the ice cream cones/shark attacks level of causality.   

[lordstanley]

If anyone is craving some off day viewing, here is nice quality video of the '84 home opener. Tigers roster and staff is introduced from 18:05 to 21:25. National anthem by Fat Bob Taylor at 22:00. Spoiler alert - big moment at 53:40.

 

Edited May 29 by lordstanley

[romad1]

9 minutes ago, romad1 said:

It would be a conspiracy if I thought it was caused by them winning.   Its mere silliness when i point out the correlation.  Which is at the ice cream cones/shark attacks level of causality.   

But the real causality is the tariff regimes 

[Toddwert]

Rob Parker still a moron says the Yankees are better then the Tigers because the Yankees are missing players and Max Fried should win the Cy Young over Skubal this was on the MLB network

Edited May 29 by Toddwert

[monkeytargets39]

17 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

Rob Parker still a moron says the Yankees are better then the Tigers because the Yankees are missing players and Max Fried should win the Cy Young over Skubal this was on the MLB network

Kinda dumb when we have been missing Olson, Cobb, Vierling, Perez and Meadows all year.

I am team Skubal all the way, but Fried is having a great season too so I can see that argument at this point.  It’ll keep tilting towards Skubal as the season goes on though.

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

But the real causality is the tariff regimes 

Just can't leave politics out no matter what.....

[RandyMarsh]

I think it's fair to say that on an individual basis the Yankees have the better players so in turn are the better team.

With that said IDK maybe I just have recency bias and am jaded cause it goes against everything I've believed in for the better part of 20 years but having Hinch and our coaching on our side even things up for us against teams that look superior on paper.

I just believe he knows how to maximize his players strengths and in turn get every last run he could squeeze out of them and the team. 

Where as other teams that have superior players don't always seem to do that in my eyes. 

Edited May 29 by RandyMarsh

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[monkeytargets39]

22 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

Who is going down/on the IL?  

[gehringer_2]

38 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

the worst news is that it's not Parker - who isn't playing for the Hens tonight.

Edited Friday at 12:43 AM by gehringer_2

[Tigermojo]

49 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Who is going down/on the IL?  

Maybe Jobe is hurt or Olson will be taking Montero's spot.

[monkeytargets39]

13 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Maybe Jobe is hurt or Olson will be taking Montero's spot.

I’m worried about it being Jobe.  

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’m worried about it being Jobe.  

anything is possible but Hinch talked about him quite a bit in the post game and gave no indication anything was amiss. Could always be something didn't feel right this morning...

and Olson was eligible as of today.

Edited Friday at 01:39 AM by gehringer_2