Tiger Cubs (notes on the minors)

[Edman85]

21 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

serious question: do Sweeney, Malloy and Olson count as home grown?

This is the crux of why I think "homegrown" is a pointless designation.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

This is the crux of why I think "homegrown" is a pointless designation.

I don't necessarily think it's pointless, since it is a good indicator of how well you can develop players on the way up, but I owuld agree its importance in fielding a winner during a multi-year window is overblown at least somewhat. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I don't necessarily think it's pointless, since it is a good indicator of how well you can develop players on the way up, but I owuld agree its importance in fielding a winner during a multi-year window is overblown at least somewhat. 

Agree.

I like both "How many guys have you drafted that made your team" and "how many guys did you bring to the majors from the minors". I think both of those things measure important aspects of a franchise's capability to sustain itself on a reasonable budget.

[romad1]

I was not tracking that Toledo was also "good" now.  I thought we had good teams in the minors below them but dang...8 wins in a row and a record that is just a hair off the pace of the division lead is unexpected. 

[Edman85]

18 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Agree.

I like both "How many guys have you drafted that made your team" and "how many guys did you bring to the majors from the minors". I think both of those things measure important aspects of a franchise's capability to sustain itself on a reasonable budget.

But if you cash in your draft picks for major league production, does that mean you don't draft well? I will use Maybin and Miller as an example.

[RatkoVarda]

they can roll out a line up with everyone having some ML experience - Kreidler, Nido, Margot, Jones, Baddoo, Madris, Workman, Hicklen and Serven - that's a lot of AAAA talent + Lee + rehabbing guys.

would be nice if most of the 5 MiLB teams made playoffs, but WMI will look at a lot different when they move people to Erie.

[LongLiveMaroth]

Toledo W 4-0
Workman 1/3 RBI BB HR
Lee 1/4 K
Jung 0/3 BB K
Manning 1IP 0H 0K

 

Erie W 5-0
Anderson 2/5 2B
Liranzo 1/4 RBI BB K HR
Campos 2/4 BB

WM W 11-3
Clark 0/5 BB
McGonigle 3/4 3RBI 2BB 2B
Briceno 0/3 3BB K
Castillo 4IP 0H BB 2K
Mattison 1IP H K

 

Lakeland W 5-1 10 Inning
Rainer 1/5 RBI K 
Franyerber 0/5 K
Strong 1/5 2RBI K 3B

 

[RatkoVarda]

nice week+; McGonigle has 16 hits, 8 BB and 1 K in last 7 games

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

But if you cash in your draft picks for major league production, does that mean you don't draft well? I will use Maybin and Miller as an example.

But I never like trading to get older in the first place. The way the CBA works, older players are financial death to any but the richest franchises (which we aren't) so I don't really see moving prospects on any scale as a viable long term option for the Tigers, unless you want another Dombrowski boom/bust cycle. Personally, I'm too old to be interested in another 10 years of bad baseball!  You will start losing you own players fast enough that what you think is a surplus coming up today, won't be when the time comes.

Edited 12 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Tenacious D]

45 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

nice week+; McGonigle has 16 hits, 8 BB and 1 K in last 7 games

Meh

[Tenacious D]

Is Jackson Strong legit? 7th rounder. Low A, but looks promising so far.

[Tiger337]

48 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

nice week+; McGonigle has 16 hits, 8 BB and 1 K in last 7 games

Somebody has to say it...

.600 BABIP not sustainable!

[gehringer_2]

31 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Somebody has to say it...

.600 BABIP not sustainable!

but the other thing is that the kid just doesn't strike out. You get a lot more mileage out of your ABs when a third of them don't end without you hitting the ball!

[KL2]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

But I never like trading to get older in the first place. The way the CBA works, older players are financial death to any but the richest franchises (which we aren't) so I don't really see moving prospects on any scale as a viable long term option for the Tigers, unless you want another Dombrowski boom/bust cycle. Personally, I'm too old to be interested in another 10 years of bad baseball!  You will start losing you own players fast enough that what you think is a surplus coming up today, won't be when the time comes.

But that was after 10 years of very good baseball. Compare to the royals lets say who kept their guys and were bad after two.

[RatkoVarda]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

Is Jackson Strong legit? 7th rounder. Low A, but looks promising so far.

I think the Tigers have gotten better about identifying talent,

but man, they are clearly a lot better than they were in developing talent.

Edited 10 hours ago by RatkoVarda

[LongLiveMaroth]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

Is Jackson Strong legit? 7th rounder. Low A, but looks promising so far.

I think he is someone to keep an eye on. He is still relatively young for a college draft pick, at 21, and won't turn 22 until August.

[LongLiveMaroth]

 

[1984Echoes]

4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

But I never like trading to get older in the first place. The way the CBA works, older players are financial death to any but the richest franchises (which we aren't) so I don't really see moving prospects on any scale as a viable long term option for the Tigers, unless you want another Dombrowski boom/bust cycle. Personally, I'm too old to be interested in another 10 years of bad baseball!  You will start losing you own players fast enough that what you think is a surplus coming up today, won't be when the time comes.

If we're good at drafting and developing however...

There will have to be some strategic trades of minor league depth (not our potential superstars/ top guys) for Major League depth guys that help us in September and October.

Overall I agree with you. 

But we won't have room for everybody in Detroit either.

So I am anticipating some smart trades coming soon... maybe even this year/ deadline.

[CMRivdogs]

NM

Edited 6 hours ago by CMRivdogs