Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[KL2]

5 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

whos David Pingalore?

Random LA sports anchor with no history of breaking news trying to gain twitter clout

[papalawrence]

6 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

May or may not be real...

Some smoke from L.A. ....

ATF may, or may not get, his big Dodgers trade (PS: if Glasnow is included he better be a throw-in because I attach very little future value... or maybe turn him into a closer. I think THAT might maximize his value as a strike-em-out shut-them-down reliever that we don't currently have...):

Dodgers 'in talks' to trade for Tarik Skubal: Report

According to KTLA-TV in Los Angeles’ David Pingalore, the Dodgers are “in talks on a potential mega trade for (Detroit Tigers) ace Tarik Skubal.”

 

I don't know if Pingalore is just another talking head or if he does get some insider info from the Dodgers team...

Just posting those rumors as they come down the pipeline.

 

I would really like Sheehan. I think he could be dominate. And would be a worthy replacement for Skubal (after Fetter gets his mitts on him...).

Glasnow is 32 and often injured. In the past 7 seasons the most games he has pitched is 22. I'd be disappointed if he's the return pitcher, even if there are a couple decent postition player prospects in the package.

[1984Echoes]

14 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

whos David Pingalore?

a KTLA-TV sports announcer... I guess.

[1984Echoes]

9 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Glasnow is 32 and often injured. In the past 7 seasons the most games he has pitched is 22. I'd be disappointed if he's the return pitcher, even if there are a couple decent postition player prospects in the package.

That's why he's only a throw-in and nothing more. I attach little to no value to him.

However...

If he is a toss-in.. I wanna try him as a LH'ed shut down reliever. Which is useful in our division.

Maybe 1-inning stints will keep him off the disabled lists...?

[1984Echoes]

PS: One more thing I want from the Dodgers if they do indeed trade for Skubal:

Their International signing bonus pool. I believe our cap that we can trade for is 60% of our own existing pool. I believe we have a pool of $7.357 mill, so $4.4 mill from the Dodgers.

I want that included.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

Sasaki, Sheehan, Hope, De Paula. Done deal. Make it happen Harris. 

[RedRamage]

Forgive me for coming into the conversation late here, but is the general coconscious these days that the Tigers aren't extending Skubal? That's certainly the feeling I get... that they're just not going to pony up the cash to give him a competitive offer.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

1 minute ago, RedRamage said:

Forgive me for coming into the conversation late here, but is the general coconscious these days that the Tigers aren't extending Skubal? That's certainly the feeling I get... that they're just not going to pony up the cash to give him a competitive offer.

They would have done so if they were going to. He gone homey. 

[Tigermojo]

8 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Forgive me for coming into the conversation late here, but is the general coconscious these days that the Tigers aren't extending Skubal? That's certainly the feeling I get... that they're just not going to pony up the cash to give him a competitive offer.

Haven't seen any rumors about Tigers making an offer except for one Skubal turned down in 2024 I believe. 

[Sports_Freak]

12 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Forgive me for coming into the conversation late here, but is the general coconscious these days that the Tigers aren't extending Skubal? That's certainly the feeling I get... that they're just not going to pony up the cash to give him a competitive offer.

Skubal has Scott Boras as his agent. Boras in known for taking his players into free agency and getting as much money as possible. Yes, Skubal is the player and he <could> tell his agent where he wants to play, to get a Detroit deal done. But so far, we haven't heard of that happening. Agents are....lowlifes. At least, IMO.

[RedRamage]

10 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

They would have done so if they were going to. He gone homey. 

1 minute ago, Tigermojo said:

Haven't seen any rumors about Tigers making an offer except for one Skubal turned down in 2024 I believe. 

So there's three reasonable actions the Tigers can take regarding Skubal:

1. Try to resign him
2. Trade him
3. Build a serious WS contender for his last year here

Given that #1 not only seems unlikely but also seems like their not even trying... we'll left with #2 and #3. Given that Ilitch does NOT seem willing to open the purse strings much, if at all, #3 seems highly unlikely. So... we're hoping for #2 then? But do we even think Harris will be able to get a good return for him? I mean, Skubal should be worth it, even if it's just one year of Skubal, but we do have faith that Harris will get it done?

I think Harris has made a number of smaller trades that have worked out well enough, but I don't know about a blockbuster level trade. Perhaps it's not fair to judge him sole on the ERod incident, but I don't have much faith in Harris when it comes to make trade deals right now.

[Toddwert]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

Skubal has Scott Boras as his agent. Boras in known for taking his players into free agency and getting as much money as possible. Yes, Skubal is the player and he <could> tell his agent where he wants to play, to get a Detroit deal done. But so far, we haven't heard of that happening. Agents are....lowlifes. At least, IMO.

then what are the people who us them?

[RatkoVarda]

11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Skubal has Scott Boras as his agent. Boras in known for taking his players into free agency and getting as much money as possible. Yes, Skubal is the player and he <could> tell his agent where he wants to play, to get a Detroit deal done. But so far, we haven't heard of that happening. Agents are....lowlifes. At least, IMO.

As far as I know, Boras has never extorted an owner into signing a player. They have always done so using their own free will.

It is odd that you would see hiring an attorney to negotiate with a billion dollar machine like MLB would be seen as something bad.

[1984Echoes]

43 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Sasaki, Sheehan, Hope, De Paula. Done deal. Make it happen Harris. 

Since Glasnow's name has been bandied about...

Now I want him. 

As our closer.

I think Sheehan is on the verge of becoming a beast starter.

So I will counter with Emmett Sheehan, Tyler Glasnow, Dalton Rushing, Zyhir Hope, Jackson Ferris and $4.4 Mill International Signing Bonus Pool money for:

Skubal and Eduardo Valencia.

[oblong]

The Tigers by definition can’t make him a competitive offer because he’s not a free agent yet. You can’t really blame them or whatever for not signing him to an extension.  Until other teams can counter an offer then a deal isn’t competitive. The market last year or this year is not the market next year. 

[SoCalTiger]

Sheehan , Ferris  and Hope  is “market “ objective trade and possible.  
 

I pass. Not sure about Harris. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

So there's three reasonable actions the Tigers can take regarding Skubal:

1. Try to resign him
2. Trade him
3. Build a serious WS contender for his last year here

Given that #1 not only seems unlikely but also seems like their not even trying... we'll left with #2 and #3. Given that Ilitch does NOT seem willing to open the purse strings much, if at all, #3 seems highly unlikely. So... we're hoping for #2 then? But do we even think Harris will be able to get a good return for him? I mean, Skubal should be worth it, even if it's just one year of Skubal, but we do have faith that Harris will get it done?

I think Harris has made a number of smaller trades that have worked out well enough, but I don't know about a blockbuster level trade. Perhaps it's not fair to judge him sole on the ERod incident, but I don't have much faith in Harris when it comes to make trade deals right now.

Hoping for #2? Not this fan, I want the Tigers to sign him and continue his success here. As for faith in Harris trading him? I won't go there because there are posters here who will defend every Harris action, or lack of actions. There's another option, however unlikely...trading him at the trade deadline. I'm totally against that for 2 reasons...it would possibly send the wrong message to the team and fans. And the return would be much less than what it would be in the off-season. My guess is he'll be pitching for Detroit in 2026, Harris won't trade him. But....we'll see.

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Skubal has Scott Boras as his agent. Boras in known for taking his players into free agency and getting as much money as possible. Yes, Skubal is the player and he <could> tell his agent where he wants to play, to get a Detroit deal done. But so far, we haven't heard of that happening. Agents are....lowlifes. At least, IMO.

Also - I think if Skubal had an inclination to sign a deal in DET at less than the max, he'd have parted company with Boras. He doesn't need Boras or his fee if was interested in staying here and he could probably find agency to do that for less money than he is going to pay Boras.

Edited 9 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Edman85]

I don't agree with this notion to "go all in" this year because of this supposed window. If you sacrifice 2027-on, you are dooming yourself to be hurt even more if he walks. The team should be a in a good spot to return to the postseason this year, and have the best position player prospect they have had in my lifetime knocking on the door.

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I don't agree with this notion to "go all in" this year because of this supposed window. If you sacrifice 2027-on, you are dooming yourself to be hurt even more if he walks. The team should be a in a good spot to return to the postseason this year, and have the best position player prospect they have had in my lifetime knocking on the door.

If they spend significantly on effective pitching on multi-year deals, that's a form of 'all in' that would not be to their detriment in 27+ because with Melton likely to be in Detroit in '26 there isn't much within a year or two in the system.

[Tenacious D]

15 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I don't agree with this notion to "go all in" this year because of this supposed window. If you sacrifice 2027-on, you are dooming yourself to be hurt even more if he walks. The team should be a in a good spot to return to the postseason this year, and have the best position player prospect they have had in my lifetime knocking on the door.

I interpret the notion of going all-in as acquiring ready players and not counting on prospects.  Not sure it hurts you in ‘27 and beyond except financially.

[papalawrence]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

I don't agree with this notion to "go all in" this year because of this supposed window. If you sacrifice 2027-on, you are dooming yourself to be hurt even more if he walks. The team should be a in a good spot to return to the postseason this year, and have the best position player prospect they have had in my lifetime knocking on the door.

How would bumping up the payroll a bit, still well below luxury land, sacrifice 2027 and beyond? Only Keith is on the books after 2027. While you have an elite SP I think it does make sense to push more chips in. Sign a top closer. Sign King. Improve the 2026 odds.

[Tiger337]

All-in suggests that they would be trading all their prospects and going for it just for one year.  I would not want that.  My hope is that they sign a solid MLB player or two to give them a better chance this year and hopefully they can help next year too when Skubal is gone.  If the concern is players getting blocked, then they could certainly sign a pitcher without worrying about that.   

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

If they spend significantly on effective pitching on multi-year deals, that's a form of 'all in' that would not be to their detriment in 27+ because with Melton likely to be in Detroit in '26 there isn't much within a year or two in the system.

Ah insomnia...

Multi year pitchers are not a sure bet past year one. I am okay waiting to reinforce to avoid having bad rotation contracts bogging things down.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

All-in suggests that they would be trading all their prospects and going for it just for one year.  I would not want that.  My hope is that they sign a solid MLB player or two to give them a better chance this year and hopefully they can help next year too when Skubal is gone.  If the concern is players getting blocked, then they could certainly sign a pitcher without worrying about that.   

I  would think as fans our position should be we don't care (at least very much!) how much of your money you spend, but don't give away future players!

Edited 4 hours ago by gehringer_2