10/10/2025 Tigers @ Mariners 8:08 PM ALDS Game 5

[Motown Bombers]

7 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

They also only won 88 games which was eight fewer than the year before and scored, fewer runs. And were swept in the world series. Basically adding him did not appreciably improve the team.

Remember, they lost Victor Martinez that season which is why they signed Fielder. Where would they have been without Fielder and Martinez? I’m not buying your argument the team was not better with Fielder. 

[antrat]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I am rooting for the Mariners to take it all.    Really it's anybody but the Dodgers. 

 

The 1977 expansion teams square off.   

 

Only took 48 years. 

Nah. I'm rooting for the Bluejays. Just to irritate a certain element. "Oh Canada....."

[CMRivdogs]

31 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Remember, they lost Victor Martinez that season which is why they signed Fielder. Where would they have been without Fielder and Martinez? I’m not buying your argument the team was not better with Fielder. 

I’m not sure they would have signed Prince if Victor was healthy. But then Mr I loved shiny objects 

[romad1]

2 hours ago, Shinzaki said:

salty Dan!!

 

We were all thinking it.  Poor guy having to do that

[romad1]

34 minutes ago, antrat said:

Nah. I'm rooting for the Bluejays. Just to irritate a certain element. "Oh Canada....."

Its Rush vs. Pearl Jam.  Jack White and Bad Bunny got sent home. 

[romad1]

9 hours ago, romad1 said:

 

I realize this song is about a girl he had to leave.  For me this is about this season's team. 

[oblong]

If one of several players had just gotten one hit at various points in this game then Seattle fans are bitching about their team like tiger fans are.  That’s baseball and that’s playoff baseball.   I reject the sports talk show takes. The other team wants to win too. They have good pitchers.  We have good pitchers.  This wasn’t some blowout. We held their guys. They held ours. We made defensive plays.  They made defensive plays.  At some point there’s a break. This game and series was a coin flip.  You don’t need to make any grand conclusions because of it.  You don’t alter a blackjack strategy because of a few hands. 

[lordstanley]

I think even at the All Star break, when it looked like the Tigers were putting together a special regular season,  advancing any further than this was never a given. You win 95 or 100 games all that does is give you a bye into the LDS. Where you would be facing a tough opponent. Look at the Brewers - winning 20 of 22 in July and August or whatever they did is great fun for the fans at the time but tonight they too face a win or go home LDS Game 5. The Tigers got there and ended up in a coin flip situation and were in fact 7 outs away from the win. There are no great teams in the AL this year and, apart from Game 1 where they would have been toast, I think the Tigers would have had a decent shot with Toronto, albeit as the underdog. I miss the days of a great regular season putting you right into or on the brink of the World Series, but the past is the past. I also miss the days of aces going more than 6 innings in elimination games, and think it should - but not necessarily does - lessen starting pitchers' ability to pull in massive contracts.

 

Edited October 11 by lordstanley

[gehringer_2]

30 minutes ago, oblong said:

If one of several players had just gotten one hit at various points in this game then Seattle fans are bitching about their team like tiger fans are.  That’s baseball and that’s playoff baseball.   I reject the sports talk show takes. The other team wants to win too. They have good pitchers.  We have good pitchers.  This wasn’t some blowout. We held their guys. They held ours. We made defensive plays.  They made defensive plays.  At some point there’s a break. This game and series was a coin flip.  You don’t need to make any grand conclusions because of it.  You don’t alter a blackjack strategy because of a few hands. 

I will certainly grant that the close playoff series was not something that demands a lot of hand wringing, but the 6 weeks leading up to it still should. 

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

I also miss the days of aces going more than 6 innings in elimination games, and think it should - but not necessarily does - lessen starting pitchers' ability to pull in massive contracts.

When baseball went to 5 starters, 250 IP in a season was sort of the benchmark initially - and maybe a handful of complete games. Today 'aces' like Skubal and Woo are sitting around 190 IP and a full season without a CG is normal. So in the regular season the relative value of an Ace is down.

But the counter to that is that playoff baseball can now be over twenty games long, and 'Ace' value in the playoff is highly amplified as their proportion of starts jumps from 20% to  more like 33%. So bottom line is that good teams that expect to make the playoff probably still have plenty of incentive to pay Ace starting pitchers a ton.

[lordstanley]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

But the counter to that is that playoff baseball can now be over twenty games long, and 'Ace' value in the playoff is highly amplified as their proportion of starts jumps from 20% to  more like 33%. So bottom line is that good teams that expect to make the playoff probably still have plenty of incentive to pay Ace starting pitchers a ton.

True, that’s a good counterpoint.  The Tigers had Skubal for 2 of 5 games and he delivered enough to win them the series but in most cases. 

[4hzglory]

53 minutes ago, oblong said:

If one of several players had just gotten one hit at various points in this game then Seattle fans are bitching about their team like tiger fans are.  That’s baseball and that’s playoff baseball.   I reject the sports talk show takes. The other team wants to win too. They have good pitchers.  We have good pitchers.  This wasn’t some blowout. We held their guys. They held ours. We made defensive plays.  They made defensive plays.  At some point there’s a break. This game and series was a coin flip.  You don’t need to make any grand conclusions because of it.  You don’t alter a blackjack strategy because of a few hands. 

Out of likes, but agree completely 

[lordstanley]

The Tigers’ extra inning double plays were beautiful to watch. Started by Montero in the 12th and Javy in the 13th, they were executed perfectly and put fans suddenly into bathroom breaks when seconds earlier it looked like the season might end on the next pitch. 

Edited October 11 by lordstanley

[Sports_Freak]

Dan Dickerson saying what he really thinks of game 5;

 

 

[lordstanley]

11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Dan Dickerson saying what he really thinks of game 5;

 

 

LOL, Skubal was gassed after 6 and Dan was gassed after 15. What more was there to say. But he could have made it super quick: "Skubal dominant for 6. Carpenter was enormous. Bullpen had rough patches but held the Tigers in. Heart of the order putrid. Tigers lose, season over, the end!".

[Motor City Sonics]

3 hours ago, antrat said:

Nah. I'm rooting for the Bluejays. Just to irritate a certain element. "Oh Canada....."

that wouldn't bother me.      Anyone But The Dodgers.........

[lordstanley]

I’ll be cheering for the Mariners. I like their fans, I’m partial to the Pacific NW. I dislike the Jays - not as intensely as the Leafs and not this Jays’ roster individually - so I’d be jealous if they win. 

[lordstanley]

 

[CMRivdogs]

In the long run I’m hoping for a Pilots/Mariners series 

[Jason_R]

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

True, that’s a good counterpoint.  The Tigers had Skubal for 2 of 5 games and he delivered enough to win them the series but in most cases. 

Absolutely could not get a hit last night, and really from the All Star Break onward. Let’s hope McGonigle is ready to start next season and some of the other young bats are ready by the end. But it feels like they need to bring in a proven bat as well. 

[lordstanley]

This is why last night’s game felt especially tense for the fans of the visiting team. Starting with the bottom of the 9th and before the game-winning hit, the Mariners had 28 at bats, so a homer on any of them would have meant a walkoff loss for the Tigers. Furthermore, over that same span the Mariners had 10 at bats with a runner in scoring position, so each of those times were just a single away from a walkoff. Imagine the Mariners fans’ post-mortem if Seattle had lost after having a runner on 2nd with 0 outs in each of the 10th, 12th and 13th innings. 

[romad1]

25 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

This is why last night’s game felt especially tense for the fans of the visiting team. Starting with the bottom of the 9th and before the game-winning hit, the Mariners had 28 at bats, so a homer on any of them would have meant a walkoff loss for the Tigers. Furthermore, over that same span the Mariners had 10 at bats with a runner in scoring position, so each of those times were just a single away from a walkoff. Imagine the Mariners fans’ post-mortem if Seattle had lost after having a runner on 2nd with 0 outs in each of the 10th, 12th and 13th innings. 

I loved that Melton and Montero came through that unscathed.  Those two can be pieces.  

[Biff Mayhem]

It’s Toronto for me. Geddy came out of retirement so he might as well see his team win the World Series as a reward. 

[Arlington]

Tigers held a pretty good offensive team at bay for the whole series.  I don't see a terrible need to improve the offense.  That will happen as players mature.  Greene is young but man I don't like his play.  Max Anderson and McGonnigle may be significant contributors next year.  

[lordstanley]

21 minutes ago, Arlington said:

Tigers held a pretty good offensive team at bay for the whole series.  

Yes, going into the series we heard about the scary Mariners lineup. How unlike Harris they acquired big bats at the deadline like Naylor and Suarez. Fine, but through 14 innings last night, that scary lineup had produced 2 runs in their past 18 innings. 

Edited October 11 by lordstanley